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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 10:49:20 (permalink)
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kratom works great for anxiety etc. I used it at 1st to overcome my codeine addiction. If it wasn't from kratom I'd be needing to visit the doctor for co-codamol (they ban kratom, codeines fine though lol) Its getting harder to get kratom main suppliers are in Indonesia. You can still get it here though    http://kratomnewsnow.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/red-vein-thai-kratom-effects-and.html   thats the site I use
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 12:31:24 (permalink)
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kratom works great for anxiety etc. I used it at 1st to overcome my codeine addiction. If it wasn't from kratom I'd be needing to visit the doctor for co-codamol (they ban kratom, codeines fine though lol) Its getting harder to get kratom main suppliers are in Indonesia. You can still get it here though    http://kratomnewsnow.blogspot.co.uk/2018/02/red-vein-thai-kratom-effects-and.html   thats the site I use


ive got quite a few sources for Kratom , usually buy it in kilo's for £140 , I am the same though no Kratom and I would probably  use codeine  , I do find that kratom if used for prolonged period increases opiate tolerance, so I can take 120mg of codeine now and feel absolutely nothing  which is a good thing because that further reduces any appeal to have it .  Ive had some good and bad kratom though 
 
red vein is probably my favorite , nice mild effects that I use daily 
Tekkera is really nice 
house blends and indos and meang Da's , extracts all good .
 
Green malay is the only one I didn't get along with , way too strong uncontrollable shakes , literally couldnt even walk one day for about 3 hours because my legs where like jelly  , my eyes where shaking and it affected my vision , ill stay away from this one or take a much lower dose.
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 13:42:45 (permalink)
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I ran out last month and ended up taking codeine again. Kratom gives me a really good happy kinda feeling, I was on anti d's before and would prefer kratom 100% over that as it gives me a drive to get up and do things too. I'm never running out again lol
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 13:50:02 (permalink)
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I ran out last month and ended up taking codeine again. Kratom gives me a really good happy kinda feeling, I was on anti d's before and would prefer kratom 100% over that as it gives me a drive to get up and do things too. I'm never running out again lol


ill probably take it for the rest of my life if its still available , I do long stints without taking it though , if th price went up 50% I would probably leave it alone , but it does feel like its allowed me to feel normal and function well on a day to day basis , withdrawals aren't that bad so wouldn't class it as addictive , its certainly enjoyable though , I do find that certain strains make it very hard to orgasm though , I can pretty much last as long as I want when on the job , green malay and theres no way on earth I can climax , add in a bit of sildenafil and your a sex machine , girlfriend thinks she doesn't turn me on but ive explained what the problem is , besides as a sufferer of PED , its a godsend !
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 13:53:02 (permalink)
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You guys using Kratom, does this not add to the anxiety? as in relying on it


Also, what does codeine do? lol
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 13:57:33 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby joesm 2018/02/13 13:59:13
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You guys using Kratom, does this not add to the anxiety? as in relying on it


Also, what does codeine do? lol

no definitely not , if you get regular anxiety then its like an off switch , when i dont take it I still get regular anxiety , if i dont use kratom for a couple of weeks then there is a slight increase when withdrawing, but nothing severe , codeine is a opiate painkiller which is very addictive and has very harsh withdrawals , I think some people find kratom more addictive than others , but if your coming off opiates and want to stay off them , then its very good .
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 13:58:55 (permalink)
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I ran out last month and ended up taking codeine again. Kratom gives me a really good happy kinda feeling, I was on anti d's before and would prefer kratom 100% over that as it gives me a drive to get up and do things too. I'm never running out again lol


ill probably take it for the rest of my life if its still available , I do long stints without taking it though , if th price went up 50% I would probably leave it alone , but it does feel like its allowed me to feel normal and function well on a day to day basis , withdrawals aren't that bad so wouldn't class it as addictive , its certainly enjoyable though , I do find that certain strains make it very hard to orgasm though , I can pretty much last as long as I want when on the job , green malay and theres no way on earth I can climax , add in a bit of sildenafil and your a sex machine , girlfriend thinks she doesn't turn me on but ive explained what the problem is , besides as a sufferer of PED , its a godsend !


sounds like your in the same boat as me, I hope it still available one way or the other because I plan to take it for the rest of my life. I give kratom the credit for getting me back into training, my business everything. (I know what your talking about with the orgasm bit too, my ex wife ended up saying she's too tired when I felt I was just getting started haha)
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 17:00:30 (permalink)
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To those of you who are taking stuff for anxiety. Are the things you're anxious about real tangible things that can perhaps actually be dealt with? Or is it more an issue of overthinking stuff, or thinking about worse case scenarios that may never happen where you have an inability to keep things in perspective? 
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 17:15:16 (permalink)
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To those of you who are taking stuff for anxiety. Are the things you're anxious about real tangible things that can perhaps actually be dealt with? Or is it more an issue of overthinking stuff, or thinking about worse case scenarios that may never happen where you have an inability to keep things in perspective? 


Bit of both mate
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 17:40:30 (permalink)
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Does the above flowchart resonate with you or do you think it's BS? 
 
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 17:48:40 (permalink)
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It does resonate with me but when you have anxiety "then don't worry" is a lot easier said than done. I'm finding that working with a CBT practitioner is beginning to help me, as I'm dealing with a negative core belief that is driving a lot of my irrational thinking which is making me feel anxious.
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 17:54:37 (permalink)
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The flowchart makes perfect sense to me, but I agree, it's easier said than done to get away from incessant overthinking. 
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/13 20:22:14 (permalink)
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I'm actually a lot better now, I used to be worried sick about something small. Then it would hit me, what I am worried about basically nothing. Then I'd laugh at how daft I had been worrying over something so small. 10 minutes later I'd be worried sick again. Nightmare
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/14 10:40:44 (permalink)
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I'm actually a lot better now, I used to be worried sick about something small. Then it would hit me, what I am worried about basically nothing. Then I'd laugh at how daft I had been worrying over something so small. 10 minutes later I'd be worried sick again. Nightmare


Peaks, total nightmare, some folk suffer that compressed into a minute rather than ten minutes 24/7

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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/14 12:43:30 (permalink)
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To those of you who are taking stuff for anxiety. Are the things you're anxious about real tangible things that can perhaps actually be dealt with? Or is it more an issue of overthinking stuff, or thinking about worse case scenarios that may never happen where you have an inability to keep things in perspective? 


Bit of both mate


Same , real problems cause worry , being blackmailed /bullied/threatened/divorce are things you worry about that you cant really do something about and if you do something about it , its still there , repeat the process of worry , anxiety and you enter a vicious circle that leads to more worry and anxiety , then you seem to handle other things that wouldn't normally worry you to well . 
 
Had a period of this from 22-23 yrs old , fine until 40yrs old and 2 years later im back in worrying mode , so its not like a trait or a flaw , its just something that comes and goes like real life problems , Kratom really helps all of this and so does valium but that is something i really try and stay away from . 
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/14 12:48:17 (permalink)
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To those of you who are taking stuff for anxiety. Are the things you're anxious about real tangible things that can perhaps actually be dealt with? Or is it more an issue of overthinking stuff, or thinking about worse case scenarios that may never happen where you have an inability to keep things in perspective? 


Bit of both mate


Same , real problems cause worry , being blackmailed /bullied/threatened/divorce are things you worry about that you cant really do something about and if you do something about it , its still there , repeat the process of worry , anxiety and you enter a vicious circle that leads to more worry and anxiety , then you seem to handle other things that wouldn't normally worry you to well . 
 
Had a period of this from 22-23 yrs old , fine until 40yrs old and 2 years later im back in worrying mode , so its not like a trait or a flaw , its just something that comes and goes like real life problems , Kratom really helps all of this and so does valium but that is something i really try and stay away from . 


Nowadays I mostly only use valium if I can't sleep, just kratom during the day
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/14 12:57:17 (permalink)
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To those of you who are taking stuff for anxiety. Are the things you're anxious about real tangible things that can perhaps actually be dealt with? Or is it more an issue of overthinking stuff, or thinking about worse case scenarios that may never happen where you have an inability to keep things in perspective? 


Bit of both mate


Same , real problems cause worry , being blackmailed /bullied/threatened/divorce are things you worry about that you cant really do something about and if you do something about it , its still there , repeat the process of worry , anxiety and you enter a vicious circle that leads to more worry and anxiety , then you seem to handle other things that wouldn't normally worry you to well . 
 
Had a period of this from 22-23 yrs old , fine until 40yrs old and 2 years later im back in worrying mode , so its not like a trait or a flaw , its just something that comes and goes like real life problems , Kratom really helps all of this and so does valium but that is something i really try and stay away from . 


Nowadays I mostly only use valium if I can't sleep, just kratom during the day


I do find 5mg of valium allows me to bust a nut a lot easier while using kratom , how many times per day do you dose and how many grams ? I try and stay at just dosing once per day but sometimes do one first thing around 20 gram and about 5-10 around dinner ?  don't know if this is heavy use or not , but hasn't increased or gone up since i first started using it , I just found what works and stuck with it . I usually mix it with cordial (undiluted ) and bomb it down , f4ck me its revolting but the extracts just aren't worth the money a 30/1 or 12/1 usually end up being about 3-4 times stronger but 5 times the cost , so for me it isn't worth it ,  what price do you pay per kilo ? and where do you buy it from ? 
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/14 17:23:56 (permalink)
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To those of you who are taking stuff for anxiety. Are the things you're anxious about real tangible things that can perhaps actually be dealt with? Or is it more an issue of overthinking stuff, or thinking about worse case scenarios that may never happen where you have an inability to keep things in perspective? 


Bit of both mate


Same , real problems cause worry , being blackmailed /bullied/threatened/divorce are things you worry about that you cant really do something about and if you do something about it , its still there , repeat the process of worry , anxiety and you enter a vicious circle that leads to more worry and anxiety , then you seem to handle other things that wouldn't normally worry you to well . 
 
Had a period of this from 22-23 yrs old , fine until 40yrs old and 2 years later im back in worrying mode , so its not like a trait or a flaw , its just something that comes and goes like real life problems , Kratom really helps all of this and so does valium but that is something i really try and stay away from . 




It fascinates me how taking kratom, valium or something else can really help with your anxiety even though they do nothing to get rid of the problems that's causing the worry in the first place. Those problems remain. All the kratom, valium etc really does is change your perspective for a while. Therefore the problem isn't really the problem, it's your perspective. There must be some way you can change your perspective without taking something. 
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/15 08:41:49 (permalink)
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To those of you who are taking stuff for anxiety. Are the things you're anxious about real tangible things that can perhaps actually be dealt with? Or is it more an issue of overthinking stuff, or thinking about worse case scenarios that may never happen where you have an inability to keep things in perspective? 


Bit of both mate


Same , real problems cause worry , being blackmailed /bullied/threatened/divorce are things you worry about that you cant really do something about and if you do something about it , its still there , repeat the process of worry , anxiety and you enter a vicious circle that leads to more worry and anxiety , then you seem to handle other things that wouldn't normally worry you to well . 
 
Had a period of this from 22-23 yrs old , fine until 40yrs old and 2 years later im back in worrying mode , so its not like a trait or a flaw , its just something that comes and goes like real life problems , Kratom really helps all of this and so does valium but that is something i really try and stay away from . 




It fascinates me how taking kratom, valium or something else can really help with your anxiety even though they do nothing to get rid of the problems that's causing the worry in the first place. Those problems remain. All the kratom, valium etc really does is change your perspective for a while. Therefore the problem isn't really the problem, it's your perspective. There must be some way you can change your perspective without taking something. 


Yeah thts a difficult one , I'm not gona use problems to justify use of any chemical /herb but I originaly took krztom whilst experimenting with nootropics for things like interviews , debates , public speaking etc , whilst dieting for a show I tried krztom and found that I didn't need any other stims or pre workouts , my mind was clear and could focus on things much better , it pretty much made me feel 'normal takes away anxiety , helps me deal with real problems much better and get on with stuff , makes studying fun , helps me get through and pass exams and makes the day in general much more productive and enjoyable , so as an anxiolotic that wasn't the intended use I just found it helped a lot , even if my problems where solved and the anxiety is gone i would still prefer to cycle kratom due to its other benefits , but when youve been the sole bread winner for 22 years and your going through a divorce , the wifes contributions financialy was zero , but to be blackmailed with suicide threats , death threats because I want a 70/30 split in her favour then it's not my perspective I need to change , it's other people's ,getting told everyday I'm tight , making people homeless is hard to accept , no krztom and lots of anxiety I'm just tempted to say f4ck it , take the lot just leave me alone !
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Re: Propranolol for anxiety 2018/02/15 10:55:54 (permalink)
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The flowchart makes perfect sense to me, but I agree, it's easier said than done to get away from incessant overthinking. 


Agreed. You can analyse your own thinking and think what's the point in worrying but it's easier said than done to turn it off
 
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