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2008/05/18 11:28:55 (permalink)
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Protein consumption

hi, im 11.4 stones so when on a bulk i should be consuming 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight.

that's 160 pounds x 1.5 grams = 240grams of protein i have to consume a day!!

does that seem right? comsuming about 40grams per meal (6 meals a day)

can i count the protein from carbs even if they are incomplete?

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    theiopener
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 12:08:55 (permalink)
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    its supposed to be 1.5g per lb of LEAN MASS, if youre counting protein count everything

    personally i dont think you need to be counting at 11.4 stone
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 12:15:04 (permalink)
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    eddie i've noticed your not keen on counting macro's and cals
    you afraid of going down TT's path

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    theiopener
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 12:17:22 (permalink)
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    No im not mate, look at the article written by ClaireyB, counting is never accurate. our bodies are not exact machines so why the clinical/scientific approach to BB'ing?

    I also have results by not counting. what TT and James said is true. Eat food not figures and Eat, Monitor and Adjust accordingly

    nobody at basic level needs to worry about counting macros, keep an eye on nutrition and if youre gaining too much add in a cardio session or drop portion sizes slightly etc etc
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 13:13:49 (permalink)
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    so if you are on a cut and you are just trying to get leaner and stronger what sort of protein consumption do you need per day??
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 13:57:55 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Mark D
    so if you are on a cut and you are just trying to get leaner and stronger what sort of protein consumption do you need per day??

    doesnt happen if youre on a cut, you get leaner and strength usually goes down. It will go back up when you finish the cut though

    As for amounts, pretty much the same as if you were bulking
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 19:25:01 (permalink)
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    so 1-2 grams per lb of bodyweight?
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 19:26:28 (permalink)
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    oops sorry just saw your early post 1.5grams per lb of lean mass
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 20:58:15 (permalink)
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    just eat 6 decent meals a day, you'll be fine

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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 21:15:31 (permalink)
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    I would not worry about how much protein you eat. Unless your a vegan, chances are you eat more than enough already.

    If you eat a healthy diet and consume a few more extra calories, than what you need, to help you grow. You'll be eating more than enough protien.
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 21:53:33 (permalink)
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    thank you i was just wondering how much i personally needed because i am currently on a cut and not on a bulk
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 21:54:56 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Mark D
    thank you i was just wondering how much i personally needed because i am currently on a cut and not on a bulk

    mate what part of "it doesnt matter" do you not quite get?

    eat food not figures!

    same figure for cutting and bulking in reality. you will know if you lose muscle, its generally through going too high a deficit
    post edited by theiopener - 2008/05/18 21:55:42
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 22:01:03 (permalink)
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    sorry i didn't mean to offend anyone i just wanted to make sure i was on the right track sorry
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 22:31:15 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Mark D

    thank you i was just wondering how much i personally needed because i am currently on a cut and not on a bulk


    Put it this way, you only need about 0.5 gram of protein per KG to maintain muscle. So you need 35-40 grams of protein a day. I'd be shocked, if you could actually manage to eat this little, weather your on a cut or not.
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 22:35:58 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: defected


    ORIGINAL: Mark D

    thank you i was just wondering how much i personally needed because i am currently on a cut and not on a bulk


    Put it this way, you only need about 0.5 gram of protein per KG to maintain muscle. So you need 35-40 grams of protein a day. I'd be shocked, if you could actually manage to eat this little, weather your on a cut or not.


    Where did you get these figures from?
    Do you apply them universally to Dieting down(cutting), Maintaining and bulking?
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 22:45:26 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: richsINS



    Where did you get these figures from?
    Do you apply them universally to Dieting down(cutting), Maintaining and bulking?


    You can find these figures all over the internet with an easy google search, but dont go to the bodybuiding sites. As there's a myth that eating 400grames of protien a days, good for building muscle. When infact its quite the opersite as it will put strain on your organs trying to process all that.

    As for applying these principles as I said I dont count protien. I count calories. Consume 3000-4000 calories from good quality food and the protien takes care of its self. I'm 85KG so, max is 170 grames, but more likely the required amount is about 130, so thats not a problem. Even if I was to cut Im sure you could still get that quite easily on a diet as low as 1500 calories.

    I've never read any where other than BB sites that consuming more than 2 grams of protien a day per KG is required. Nearly all state its a lot less and have published research to back it all up, rather than the big F****er down the gym told me.
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 22:47:11 (permalink)
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    TIO I'm not quite sure.
    I see your point- the body is excellent at keeping homeostasis, but I'm not sure you can say bodybuilding is not a science.

    Mike Mentzer popularized the idea that Bodybuilding was not just picking up some weights and eating lots. He used the biology and physiology of the body to apply it to gaining muscle. In his book, Heavy Duty Nutrition, he goes through various foods, and how they are useful to a bodybuilder. From this, we can learn about the science of bodybuilding- why we are putting foods into our bodies, what they do, and also why the weights build muscles.

    By learning this, we can apply it to making the best gains- a 40% carbs, 40% protein and 20% fats diet seems correct, and low reps high weight also. This is not a best guess, this is because we know the physiology of the body and how it works.

    If I were giving advice regarding cutting, keep protein intake the same/high, as with fats, and manipulate carbs.

    "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true."
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/18 22:49:40 (permalink)
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    Bollox. Total and utter bollox. Everyone is different, ratios and figures mean fcuk all.

    Were talking newbies here mate, people who havent bulked or havent cut before worry about about every gram of this or that making no progress and strangling themselves with pedantic nonsense rather than learning what their body works with best

    All that are needed is an appreciation of the basics. Unless you are at an elite level there is no need to get pedantic

    The notion we preach is a higher protein intake is needed, tbh im surprised if anyone here eats less than 130g ED. Most things take care of themselves

    Eat food not figures ® James
    Eat, Monitor & Adjust Accordingly ® Steve Blades

    Those two sayings are gospel IMO, find what works for you and stick with it. Number and figures and ratios mean nothing in the real world
    post edited by theiopener - 2008/05/18 22:52:15
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    RE: Protein consumption 2008/05/19 00:06:26 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: FatboyGinger
    I see your point- the body is excellent at keeping homeostasis, but I'm not sure you can say bodybuilding is not a science.


    I agree, we can use science and numbers to help us in this world. We use them everywhere, to quantify things...build buildings...calculate calorie requirements etc.
    Sadly when it comes to biology, our lifestyles and conditions and many other variables cause inaccuracys in each of these methods we use to quantify things (calorie bombing foods can be inaccurate, day to day activitys vary our calorie requirements etc etc).

    ORIGINAL: FatboyGinger
    By learning this, we can apply it to making the best gains- a 40% carbs, 40% protein and 20% fats diet seems correct, and low reps high weight also. This is not a best guess, this is because we know the physiology of the body and how it works.

    With regaurds to the 40/40/20 - These all vary based on the individual, we've tried to quantify these using V02 tests. Some of us may be 85% fat burners, others may burn just 20% fat at rest.

    In general, i believe using science and weights/measurements will help us all and at the end of the day... we all use measurements, just some more than others(most people weight themselves, take body fat readings, measure food based on volume aswell as fluids).

    On the other hand, numbers can lead to alot of confusion and distraction from the basics and ULTIMATE goal (of how we look in the mirror, or how much weight we can shift...etc).
    This is when numbers become an issue.
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