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Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED

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I wanted to ask what is the best whey form to take protein in the morning and mid-morning.
I want to know what is the better to build mass.
 
an example:
8:00 AM - 2scoop MP TOTAL PROTEIN with 65gr MP INSTANT OATS
10:00 AM - 2scoop MP TOTAL PROTEIN with 65gr MP INSTANT OATS
01:00 PM - 100gr fish or 150gr chicken with 150 grams of whole grain carbohydrates
 
I would like to know if it is correct to MIX WHEY with OATS or impairs the absorption of whey.
And what is the better form in MORNING and MID-MORNING, then between TOTAL PROTEIN blend containing WPI, WPC and Egg proteins or simple "Whey isolate 97" or "Hydrolyzed Whey".
 
an 2° example with whey isolate 97 or hydrolyzed with oats after 30 minutes:
8:00 AM - 1scoop MP HYDROLYZED WHEY or ISOLATE 97
8:30 AM - 65gr MP INSTANT OATS
10:00 AM - 1scoop MP HYDROLYZED WHEY or ISOLATE 97
10:30 AM - 65gr MP INSTANT OATS
01:00 PM - 100gr fish or 150gr chicken with 150 grams of whole grain carbohydrates
 
 I await your comments and suggestions.
 
post edited by giuseppe10091989 - 2015/01/05 00:24:31
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/05 00:34:55 (permalink)
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I wouldn't bother with  hydrolysed whey at home at all.
 
I would only have that as an Intra or PWO (post work out )  protein you just dont need that fast digestion at home.
 
The total protein with oats is fine. Oats are a carb source so they wont impair the absorption of the whey they are fine together if anything the oats will help shuttle the whey along.
 
If I had all those wheys. I would have
 
Total protein Blend and oats in the morning Twice if as you want like in your example.
 
I would have the Hydro whey as an intra you could have the Isolate PWO or the hydro.  Im just assuming you have all these proteins there isnt a need for so many though.
 
The first  question about the best way to build mass is about the diet as a whole.
 
 



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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/05 10:33:47 (permalink)
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For mass building, especially if your mixing your whey with oats, then no need for anything other than plain old WPC around your training.  The protein blends are better for meal replacements due to a longer digestion rate although you can prolong the digestion of your whey by mixing with some complex carbs and/or fat.
 
The difference between the different types of whey is the purity of the protein.  The more refined, the more fat and lactose is removed.  Isolate can be useful immediately post workout or if your on a very strict diet.
 
WPC after training, casein before bed, mix a scoop of each to create a meal replacement if needed, but always aim more for whole foods (except post workout).

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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/05 10:56:12 (permalink)
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Total. The others, as is and without taking your diet into consideration, I wouldn't bother with for a mass diet.

 
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/05 10:58:12 (permalink)
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Add my complete plan, with pre, intra and post-workout and evening meals...
I take in the post and intra-workout the casein hydrolyzate, which are the fastest on the market.
 
7:30 AM - 10gr EAA + 10gr BCAA
8:30 AM - 2scoop MP TOTAL PROTEIN with 65gr MP INSTANT OATS  + Multivitamin + Joint complex + 1gr Vit C + 1cps Oil Krill   =  46gr pro // 45gr carb // 364 Kcal
10:30 AM - 2scoop MP TOTAL PROTEIN with 65gr MP INSTANT OATS   =  46gr pro // 45gr carb // 364 Kcal
01:30 PM - 100gr fish or 150gr chicken with 150 grams of whole grain carbohydrates = 22gr pro // 80gr carb // 408 Kcal
04:30 PM - PRE-WORKOUT 1hour before - 10gr EAA + 10gr BCAA + 70gr Palatinose  = 70gr carb // 280 Kcal
05:00 PM - PRE-WORKOUT 30minutes before - FRENZY + GPLC + AGAMANTINE + HEMAVOL
05:30 PM - INTRA-WORKOUT: 0.5scoop PEPTOPRO (casein hydrolyzate) + 10gr EAA + 10gr BCAA
19:00 PM - POST-WORKOUT: 0.5scoop PEPTOPRO (casein hydrolyzate) + Creatine 3gr
08:30 PM - 100gr fish or 150gr chicken with 150 grams of whole grain carbohydrates  + Multivitamin + 1cps Oil Krill = 22gr pro // 80gr carb // 408 Kcal
10:30 PM -  10gr EAA + 10gr BCAA
11:30 PM -  2scoop MP BED TIME EXTREME (casein + whey)  = 43gr pro // 0gr carb // 172 Kcal
 
look for your comments.
Intake cal: 364+364+408+280+408+172 = 2000 Kcal (from meal/shaker protein) + 200 Kcal workout supp + 100-200Kcal from fat oil olive in lunch and dinner = Total intake daily 2300-2400 Kcal  - 12.9-13.5Kcal/lbs (28.4-29.6Kcal/Kg) 
Intake pro:  46+46+22+22+43 = 179gr pro excluding EAA + BCAA  = 1gr/lbs (2.2gr/Kg) PRO
Intake carb: 45+45+80+70+80 = 320gr carb =  1.79gr/lbs (3.95gr/Kg) CARB
 
My weight is 178 lbs(81kg), 8.5% fat percent and height is 6 feet (1.82cm), with office work sedentary, and workout 6-7 days a week.
 
 
I looking to building lean mass.
 
 
 
post edited by giuseppe10091989 - 2015/01/05 11:39:05
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 01:48:41 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby The_Lone_Wolf 2015/01/07 09:25:45
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You've had some sound advice thus far but Christ on a hopscotch, That's one helluva lot of expensive supplements you're using there bud. Krill oil, peptopro, 2 pre-workouts with added carnitine & agamantine plus then your proteins & night time formula. My hat's off to you to afford all of that.

I wouldn't bother with the EAAs & BCAAs at 7.30am & 10.30pm - you're taking a protein source at 8.30am - maybe bring that forward to 8am if you want. Your 8.30pm meal will still be being digested at 10.30pm - you'll still be getting your proteins & amino acids from that meal. I feel to add EAAs & BCAAs in, especially at that time, in a bulking diet and with 179g protein in your daily diet already is a waste of money. I've just noticed you're taking them pre-workout aswell. You could swap these out for whey (even though you're on 6 scoops a day as it is) and take them a little earlier so they've cleared your stomach by the time you train.

That's a staggering supplement regime though.
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 01:59:26 (permalink)
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You also need to check some of your nutrient calculations - for example, bed time extreme has 2.6g carbs & 1.9g fat, total protein is the same, plus you have the fat from the food you're eating (if it's an oily fish like salmon) and the fat from the krill oil. Also, there's 7g fat in 100g oats.

It's not much, granted, but should be factored into your calculations as it all adds up.
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 06:40:39 (permalink)
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I was just gonna say - How much does all that lot cost??!
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 12:04:40 (permalink)
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I recalculated well macronutrients, and in fact now the calculations are different.
I await your comments. I deleted the BCAA + EAA in the morning and evening.
 
8:00 AM - 2scoop MP TOTAL PROTEIN with 65gr MP INSTANT OATS  + Multivitamin + Joint complex + 1gr Vit C + 1cps Oil Krill  =  51.6gr pro // 44.8gr carb // 6.8gr fat // 433 Kcal
10:30 AM - 2scoop MP TOTAL PROTEIN with 65gr MP INSTANT OATS   =  51.6gr pro // 44.8gr carb // 6.8gr fat // 433 Kcal
01:30 PM - 100gr fish (tuna 22gr pro / 18.5gr fat) or 100gr (chicken 22gr pro / 1gr fat) with 2.5pz friselle (150 gr whole grain) (8.5gr pro/60gr carb/ 1.5gr fat) + OIL OLIVE (15gr) = 30.5gr pro // 60gr carb // 17.5-35 fat // 534-607 Kcal
04:30 PM - PRE-WORKOUT 1hour before - 10gr EAA + 10gr BCAA + 70gr Palatinose  = 70gr carb // 280 Kcal
05:00 PM - PRE-WORKOUT 30minutes before - FRENZY + GPLC + AGAMANTINE + HEMAVOL
05:30 PM - INTRA-WORKOUT: 0.5scoop PEPTOPRO (casein hydrolyzate 12.75gr pro / 51 Kcal) + 10gr EAA + 10gr BCAA
19:00 PM - POST-WORKOUT: 0.5scoop PEPTOPRO (casein hydrolyzate 12.75gr pro / 51 Kcal) + Creatine 3gr
08:30 PM - 100gr fish (tuna 22gr pro / 18.5gr fat) or 100gr (chicken 22gr pro / 1gr fat) with 2.5pz friselle (150 gr whole grain) (8.5gr pro/60gr carb/ 1.5gr fat) + OIL OLIVE (15gr) = 30.5gr pro // 60gr carb // 17.5-35 fat // 534-607 Kcal
11:30 PM -  2scoop MP BED TIME EXTREME (casein + whey)  = 43gr pro // 2.6gr carb // 2.1gr fat // 200 Kcal
 
Intake 
cal: 433+433+534+280+51+51+534+200=2.516 Kcal - 14.13 Kcal/lbs (31Kcal/Kg) KCAL
pro:  51.6+51.6+30.5+12.75+12.75+30.5+43 = 232 gr  = 1.30gr/lbs (2.86gr/Kg) PRO
carb: 44.8+44.8+60+70+60+2.6 = 282gr carb =  1.58gr/lbs (3.48gr/Kg) CARB
fat: 6.8+6.8+17.5+17.5+2.1= 50.7gr-68.2gr(with 1 meal with tuna) =  0.28-0.38gr/lbs (0.62-0.84gr/Kg) FAT
 
Weight 178 lbs(81kg)
fat percent 8.5%
height 6 feet (1.82cm)
MESOMORPH body type
office work sedentary
workout 6-7 days a week
 
 
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 12:42:29 (permalink)
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You have TWO meals of real food?!?
Terrible diet.  Where is the feg, fruit, whole grains, nuts, seeds, etc.  And 2500 cals on a mass gaining diet whilst working out 6 to 7 times a week?
 

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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 12:49:10 (permalink)
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I know that only two meals a day of real foods are few, but I wish I could make a diet going to this direction to now. I'll add to in the two main meals vegetables at will, but not can every day. 
 
Regarding the calories I should then increase the carbs?
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 13:10:29 (permalink)
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I'm not criticising in any way but are all those supplements and chemical powders really good for your health? :)
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 13:20:50 (permalink)
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I think however that Myprotein unflavoured protein are natural and contain no artificial flavors or sweeteners or colorants.
Regarding the pre-workout supp as frenzy, hemavol and etc.. I will not take it every day throughout the year, certainly.
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 13:36:12 (permalink)
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Replace the morning shakes with eggs, oats, muesli, whole grain toast, bacon, chicken, veg, fruit, etc, any real food would be better than those powders.
 
Ditch the pre-workouts, no need when on a gaining diet as your energy levels should be high on the increased calories and carbs.  If they're not, then you're not eating enough.  Replace the pre workouts with real food snacks or go with some WPC and oats if training with food is an issue.  Protein flapjacks, porridge, muesli, a sandwich, etc
 
I would go with a bigger shake PWO IMO, especially when on a gain, but that's just me.
 
Salmon, quark with nuts or nut butter, strained yogurt with casein and oil, etc, before bed.  If you need a powder before bed I would just stick with the casein, not sure why whey is included there...
 
The key is real food (especially when on a gain) with supplements used sparringly to supplement your diet where it is lacking.
 
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 15:07:35 (permalink)
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Whey concentrate will honestly suit your needs just fine all day, post workout, pre-bed...
 

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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 16:34:44 (permalink)
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You can post examples of your breakfasts to build mass, you also Aaron that I see you have a lot of mass.
 
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 16:44:17 (permalink)
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80g oats
semi skim milk
 
50g whey concentrate 80% powder.
 
nice and easy

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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 16:51:05 (permalink)
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80g oats
semi skim milk
 
50g whey concentrate 80% powder.
 
nice and easy




 
Very simple. Good for who has little time...Aaron how you behave with the rest of the day, mid-morning, lunch, early afternoon, pre-intra-post, dinner and pre-bed.
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Re: Protein to build mass - TOTAL PROTEIN BLEND, WHEY ISO 97 or HYDROLYZED 2015/01/07 19:27:26 (permalink)
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You need to really get this nailed firstly with whole food and use the supplements to top up you're protein. There's plenty of meals that you can make and plan ahead and then just reheat when needed (or if you're strange like me, eat cold!) you just need to plan it out and organise it. Buy some Tupperware tubs and get into a good habit of thinking ahead with you're meals. Buy you're food cheaply from somewhere like musclefood. Once you have mastered this and have it all set in you're life style then you can start looking adding supplements in. You need a decent meal before a work out to to ensure you have enough fuel before a workout, the timing of this can be user dependant. Some people can eat a meal then 45 mins later start a work out (different peoples bodies can manage digestion differently). I normally have my prework out meal about an hour and half before a workout. Then as soon as you get home from the gym have your post workout meal.

Some meal ideas for bulking -

Grass fed beef with jasmine rice and spinach
Chicken breast, sweet potato and broccoli
Tuna, cheese, sweet peppers and pasta
Jacket potato, chopped bacon and cheese, lettuce tomato and spring onion
Turkey breast steaks , kale mixed with onion and sun dried tomato with mashed potato
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