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2009/07/31 14:02:02 (permalink)
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Putting on muscle - while trying to cut

Well

I admit I dont know the human body well enough:

I have been training hard, with a personal trainer 1 day a week for about 12 weeks.
Initially I was going to go on a cutting diet to lose fat, my trainer said not to concentrate on cutting or bulkin as its not needed.

So, in the last 12 weeks, I definately seen an mprovement in my arms/shoulders and back at least, they seem to be getting bigger, but I dont seem to be losing fat...therfore appears I am lean bulking.

With my diet I didnt think I was eating enough to be putting on muscle though, as I based it mainly on a cutting plan, just not as strict

Is this normal? I have only been following a diet for around 3 weeks, but muscle seems to be coming on, fat doesnt seem to be coming off

Maybe I am expecting too much too quick?
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    JackPack
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/07/31 16:15:06 (permalink)
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    30 Minutes (HIT) cardio a week, and you should eventually start seeing a difference. Although by the sounds of it, if you carry on with what your doing at the moment then that fat will eventually be muscle. Which is quite obviously a positive!
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/07/31 19:52:37 (permalink)
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    Unless you haven't trained much before you can only do one at a time. The key is to gain minimal amounts of fat when bulking and lose minimal amounts of muscle when cutting.
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/01 00:38:16 (permalink)
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    There are a few things a natural can do to achieve this goal but in all honesty progression will be slow and a combination of bulking followed by dieting usually works better ime.



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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/01 00:55:29 (permalink)
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    Ok cheers

    My main query though, I genuinely didnt think I was eating enough food to be putting on muscle, I have looked at bulking diets and dont eat that much food. I based mine around a cutting diet, so figured I would lose fat... seems I am going the other way round though, which confuses me

    Dont get me wrong, I am loving putting on abit of muscle... but the fat remains an issue, which is really why I started training anyway lol
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/01 17:43:16 (permalink)
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    Everybody is so very different in every aspect of training and dieting.

    You always need to find what works for you through trial and error.

    Apart from your weight, BF % and Metabolic rate, your daily activities will be a huge factor..

    Office worker = Less calories required.
    Brick layer = More Calories Required.

    If you’re putting on muscle and little or no fat then that is just about right for you at this time for bulking.
    If you want to loose some muscle try dropping upto 500 cals a a day and see if that tips you into fat burning. 

    post edited by Growbaby - 2009/08/01 17:45:17
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/01 20:42:00 (permalink)
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    Cheers growbaby!

    Makes sense, I am an active person, gym 5 days a week, I am achef, so working on my feet all day, somtimes long days...not a slow paced job at all

    Generally speaking, if I decided enough is enough and tried to cut, I have to be honest and sy I havent worked out calories for my diet, but I know the diet is good, I have had it approved by a few people, is it best to cut back on carbs? Just keeping them Pre and PWO?

    Cheers
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/01 22:22:54 (permalink)
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    markfj

    Cheers growbaby!

    Makes sense, I am an active person, gym 5 days a week, I am achef, so working on my feet all day, somtimes long days...not a slow paced job at all

    Generally speaking, if I decided enough is enough and tried to cut, I have to be honest and sy I havent worked out calories for my diet, but I know the diet is good, I have had it approved by a few people, is it best to cut back on carbs? Just keeping them Pre and PWO?

    Cheers


    I'd say that’s a good plan... Pre & PWO are always the most important times for carbs for obvious reasons.
    In fact try dropping 500 cals (125g) in carbs and replacing 250 cals with good fats (28g) this may help you to keep gaining or at least minimise catabolism through calorie depreciation.
    If this isn’t enough of a drop repeat the same drop of carbs and increase of fats again.
    If you do end up on low carbs be sure to have a high carb day or ½ day once a week… Keep your metabolic rate high!! Always good before a leg day.
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/01 23:48:33 (permalink)
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    cheers, actually started eating sardines, so perhaps will start to lay off the carbs sometime soonish, as I would like to get lean sometime! lol

    cheers again
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/05 03:05:06 (permalink)
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    Sorry, I have to ask

    I have believed his statent to be true
    Muscle helps burn fat


    So am I correct in thinking, that as I appear to be lean bulking, if I continue to lean bulk I will then find cutting easier? as the muscle  I have gained, helps in bruning the fat when coming to cutting?

    Cheers
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/05 10:25:33 (permalink)
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    Muscle burns calories, the more of it you have the more you will burn at rest as well as when you exercise... but the idea when trying to lose weight is you should combine cardio and weights (alternating) for more effective weight loss - well, so I've read numerous times here and in weight loss training guides.
     
    I can't recall how many calories per pound of muscle it approximately works out to, but you get the idea - it's not a great deal, but the more the better.
     
    IMO on a cutting diet and plan such as this, you wont notice differences in your weight for 4-6 weeks at least... people differ though. Don't look at the scales when you're on this sort of routine as it only serves to dishearten you I think, because when you get on them with all your new muscle while you will have lost fat your weight wont have changed much, if at all - eventually if you keep it up (weights) you may end up weighing more. I've found that after 4-6 weeks I notice another major change (like going down a belt notch) but in-between I struggle to find advances, but I try not to let it distract me and get on with my plan.
     
    It's hard not to stay off the scales, but if you must - set yourself a long term goal to get on them eg 3 months and up until then look for subtle changes like your belt buckles, clothes and use a mirror - suggested many times on these boards. Before long someone will mention that "you've lost weight" which will also give you encouragement to keep on with it.
     
    Good luck!
    post edited by Scaryant - 2009/08/05 10:26:52
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    Re:Putting on muscle - while trying to cut 2009/08/05 14:38:02 (permalink)
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    Cheers for the reply mate

    I was jst a little bit mythed I guess.. as I initiallt was trying to cut, but somehow have started to gain muscle, havent gained fat, but havent lost any that I am aware of

    Getting some nice comments, that I am looking bigger/more muscle etc which is nice, but wasnt my initial goals, thats why I ask

    Cheers!
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