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2011/03/30 19:09:26 (permalink)
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Q for Dazc

Dazc I have seen in another post that you cycle 6 on 4 off. Is that a blast & cruise or a complete break? Do you use short esters when on cycle for a short period as 6 weeks? 

Looking into starting my first cycle some time after my cut and looking to gain as much knowledge as possible beforehand. I will likely go with a basic 500mg p/week test cycle but I am interested to learn other methods, especially as I hope to compete in 2012 / 2013. 
  
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    Danny187
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 19:46:11 (permalink)
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    Dazc posted this before 
     
    6 weeks on 4 weeks off is basically staying on as 4 weeks will not recover HPTA however it gives a break from jabbing etc and may help lipids and other values stay nearer normal ranges.
     
    I may even try this protocol after my holiday and see how I get on
     

    HOPE DAZC will clarify more on this but this is basically what he wrote in another thread I think :)
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 19:49:01 (permalink)
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    Dazc posted this before 

    6 weeks on 4 weeks off is basically staying on as 4 weeks will not recover HPTA however it gives a break from jabbing etc and may help lipids and other values stay nearer normal ranges.

    I may even try this protocol after my holiday and see how I get on


    HOPE DAZC will clarify more on this but this is basically what he wrote in another thread I think :)

    Yeah that's the thread I saw too. Interesting method though and I just wondered about doses and esters with that kind of approach. I am assuming it will be short esters hence the break from jabbing??
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 19:52:25 (permalink)
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    No it is Long esters mate and remember 6 weeks jabbing then 2 week clearance of the ester then back on 2 weeks after really 
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 19:59:28 (permalink)
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    Yeah I have spoke to him about it, it's long esters with 6 weeks on 4 cold turkey then repeat.
     
    Wouldn't recommend this for a first cycle though Tuffy, get a few standard length ones under you're belt first mate.
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 20:55:53 (permalink)
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    Ah cheers fellas. 
     
    I thought long esters took until about week 4 to show results, would this not mean that 6 weeks was a bit pointless or is it the fact that it is never really out of your system that makes it work?
     
    I fully intend to go with a 'normal' first timers cycle, just interested about other future possibilities. 
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 21:49:13 (permalink)
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    as per danny and irdan really!  6 on 4 off is a pretty common method, but its at the more advanced end of things, so tends not to get talked about, because when you get there you really dont need to talk to people about it! the test levels are acting and building right from the very first jab.  the 4 weeks off isnt really time off as such, its just a break from injections.  Blood levels fall, and the body benefits because its not been at high doses for too long. 
     
    you cant just stay on for months and months and keep gaining without the doses reaching mega levels, and it doesnt do the body anygood!  the body likes to do things in cycles and bursts, so growth isnt linear.  by cycling the gear we create a slight backwards to enable us to continue to move forwards.
     
    its really only a schedule suited to long term use, but IMO is superior to whats normally seen in blast cruise schedules (say 12-15 on and 6 cruise).  obviously as you run into competitions then that schedule gets changed as there is no room for 4 weeks off at 6 weeks out. but the rest of the time it suits very well offseason and early pre comp well IMO.
     
    doese are whatever the person using requires (i recommend modest doses).  and its done using long esters.  way too many jabs with short acting, and the there would be a crash by the end of the 4 weeks using prop, hex, ace and similar esters.
     
    Id always recommend people have at least a couple of decent 10 weeks cycles with full recovery afterwards first.  even if you know what you want to achieve long term and whats needed to get there, the learning period is necessary
     
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 21:52:59 (permalink)
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    Nice reply Dazc I have found around week 8 - 9 on cycles I start to get tired and little more restless, weight doesnt shift to much after that, but then again diet has been **** lately
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 22:11:38 (permalink)
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    cardio!!!!  pmsl
     
     
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 22:33:12 (permalink)
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    dazc

    cardio!!!!  pmsl



    Yes Daz you are correct, I have butlins friday so 4 days boozing and 40% meats and processed ****, then 5 days cardio for 4 weeks to my holiday, lower carbs, lose size but may increase my insulin sensitity by laying off bad carbs :)
     
    Cardio freak as off next week :)
     
    Triceps hanging off today, 3 compound exercise then around 200 reps(not in one go) with drops on rope extensions OUCH
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/30 22:35:29 (permalink)
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    Great post dazc and thanks for the info, makes a lot of sense. I will defo go the standard route but as I plan to compete and will pretty much be starting the offseason prep (albeit long) I will be looking into other methods after I have a few cycles under my belt.
     
    I have done a lot of reading on blast and cruise today and thought that might be the way I go but some of the doses being talked about were scary LOL. I like the look of the method you use and will certainly consider it when the time comes.
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 18:31:43 (permalink)
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    Daz, do you run hcg during either of the 6 week or 4 week periods?
     
    How difficult would you say recovery would be after doing a few 6 on 4 off periods?
     
    Do you think it would be possible to do a few 6 on/4 off periods, running say a moderate dose of Test-E, say 500-750mg,  then run a PCT....have a few months off then start again? Or would it be pointless?
     
    Just wondering how it would compare to running standard 10-12 week cycles with pct and time off.
     
    (sorry for hijack OP)

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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 18:39:35 (permalink)
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    You must be in agony Danny, but i bet you were pumped up solid mate,enjoy your break bud.
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 18:42:51 (permalink)
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    ReRaise

    Daz, do you run hcg during either of the 6 week or 4 week periods?

    How difficult would you say recovery would be after doing a few 6 on 4 off periods?

    Do you think it would be possible to do a few 6 on/4 off periods, running say a moderate dose of Test-E, say 500-750mg,  then run a PCT....have a few months off then start again? Or would it be pointless?

    Just wondering how it would compare to running standard 10-12 week cycles with pct and time off.

    (sorry for hijack OP)

    No point running PCT meds IMO as long esters still be present upto week 8 and HPTA will not recover in that time so why take PCT meds that are very harsh not to recover
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 18:44:03 (permalink)
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    Tuffy

    Great post dazc and thanks for the info, makes a lot of sense. I will defo go the standard route but as I plan to compete and will pretty much be starting the offseason prep (albeit long) I will be looking into other methods after I have a few cycles under my belt.

    I have done a lot of reading on blast and cruise today and thought that might be the way I go but some of the doses being talked about were scary LOL. I like the look of the method you use and will certainly consider it when the time comes.

     
    You haven't done a cycle and are reading up on Blasting already, god help us.
     
    Plenty of people who compete cycle once a year. Just a 12cycle leading up to a show. You can gain muscle and lean up easily enough if your diet is on point, especially if on after a long break. Hence why people grow into a show.
     
    Don't fall into the trap of thinking you need to blast/cruise to be competitive. It simply isn't true.
     
    10weeks Test at 500mg is more than enough.
     
     
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 19:03:36 (permalink)
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    I find that a bit misleading....

    Just because somebody's spent 5 years on and off gear for varying periods of time and now they compete only cycle a moderate dose for 3/4 months of the year it doesn't mean you can get into competition shape on short 500mg test cycles when you're going from a natural physique.

    It'd take a hell of a long time at any rate, a hell of a long time..... I know it's a marathon not a sprint etc etc...

    but if you can find me one serious competitor who only runs 500mg of test pre comp and got into their current shape only running 500mg of test once a year i'll be impressed.
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 20:16:55 (permalink)
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    I could name you a few actually. Some of them on TM the other forum you use.
     
    End of the day though, your own body, your own choice. Live with your own decisions.
     
    Just think its important to stress to avoid a misleading picture. This forum does seem to have a problem with this approach IMO.
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 20:23:00 (permalink)
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    most competitive guys spend alot more time on gear than 12 weeks a year i can tell you that right now.
     
    as for the 500mg per week, lol at that im afraid.  most are running way more than that.  i dont advocate high doeses, but to suggest most people can get to competing on one or two cycles a year, at 500mg a week is way way way off the mark.
     
    i personally know over a dozen classics guys, that are pretty dedicated and use more than that.
     
    if thats truly your view, then im sorry to be blunt, but your blinkered by your own great response to steroids.
     
    i havent used massive doses, though i have tried a couple of higher dose cycles for short periods. they arent for me.  But its taken me over 8 years of use, and over 14 years of training to get a physique thats even close to being competitive.  and i know how dedicated i am. 
     
    hell, i know loads of people my size or a bit bigger competing in u90s or smaller that are using 3-4 meds stacked, at good doses, with slin, growth, metformin, ghrp6 etc etc.  im not suggesting its all needed, but its so common its impossible for someone to say 500mg a week is all you need for the odd cycle now and then.
    post edited by dazc - 2011/03/31 20:36:08
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 20:24:19 (permalink)
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    Chrisla

    I could name you a few actually. Some of them on TM the other forum you use.

    End of the day though, your own body, your own choice. Live with your own decisions.

    Just think its important to stress to avoid a misleading picture. This forum does seem to have a problem with this approach IMO.

     
    I agree to a point Chris, however many people spout on about dose etc, yes diet is key if your consistent you will gain better than someone on a high dose and a **** diet in the long term.
     
    However most people who are going for trophies at the Brits / high level shows are really smashing most things back at high dose from most journals I have read
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    Re:Q for Dazc 2011/03/31 20:26:27 (permalink)
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    Chrisla
    This forum does seem to have a problem with this approach IMO.

     
    no it doesnt !  this forum has a very conservative approach to doses, and rightly so.  take a look at some of the us boards, hell even on UKM there is a more is better, kudos to the person running the most gear.
     
    look how many people follow and listen to a popular member on there who now seems to be coaching people on this board and others, who used some fcuking crazy doses and stacks for his age.  sure hes big, but hes not broken any records winning shows.  but has this crazy respect from most, because he used a shed load of gear.

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