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2015/02/01 19:02:01 (permalink)
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Question about BC Armour

After about 3-4 years of blasting and cruising ive had about 6 months off and when i go back on im gonna be going back to short cycles ala dan duchaine/bill roberts (2 on/4 off). Used this method succesfully many moons ago when DD first wrote about it in his dirty dieting newsletters probably in about 2001/2. And built up a good amount of mass after using traditional cycling methods for the first 3-4 yrs of my use before switching to b&c'ing a few yrs back.

I used to blast for 2 weeks, clomid for 2 weeks and then clean for 2 weeks before going back on again for another blast.

My question is, ive never used armour, could i potentially use it for the time in between cycles and how should i do so? Was thinking one of these options after my 2 week blast:

1. Take armour alone for 2 weeks at 2 caps per day then 2 weeks clean
2. 2 caps armour plus clomid at 50mg, nolva 20mg for 2 weeks and then exemestane at 12.5mg eod for 2 weeks
3. 2 caps armour for 2 weeks then 2 weeks of 12.5mg/eod exemestane
4. Don't use armour, 4 weeks of 12.5mg/eod exemestane and a week of clomid 50mg, nolva 20mg to kickstart during 1st week
5. None of the above, I would do..............

Reason im saying 2 caps rather than the suggested 3 caps is im affraid 3 will suppress me a bit too much, was even considering just 1 cap but would think it wouldn't do much?

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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/02 18:43:44 (permalink)
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Hi Mate
 
Take it your talking pinning Test prop or the like for the 2 weeks on .
The Armour contains a lot of stuff but its the Osta 5mg a cap that your looking at for suppression I wouldn't worry , 
Its a short time 2 weeks for the Clomid , do you think you recover ?  
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/02 19:06:44 (permalink)
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Hi Mate
 
Take it your talking pinning Test prop or the like for the 2 weeks on .
The Armour contains a lot of stuff but its the Osta 5mg a cap that your looking at for suppression I wouldn't worry , 
Its a short time 2 weeks for the Clomid , do you think you recover ?  


Thanks for the reply bud.

Yes fast actings and orals. Never had bloodwork to see for certain for me if im recovered but plenty others have and have recovered by the end of the 4th week off, some even without clomid iirc

By the end of the second week your test is shutdown but because its only just shutdown its a very fast recovery..........you dont make massive gains each cycle but they're fairly keepable, keep the bloat to a minimum using ai's and you may only gain 2lbs per cycle but you're not yo-yoing up and down plus you're off gear for 2/3rds of the yr. though you do use high doses whilst on for those 2 wks.

Oh yeah and its the osta im worried about........how would you suggest running it then?
post edited by Big Ian - 2015/02/02 19:08:36
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/02 19:29:06 (permalink)
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Yea I have mates who have done this and say it works especially in the power lifting circles when they want to clean out quickly.
Truthfully if your taking the Clomid I wouldn't bother with the Armour , its best used in my experience instead of Clomid , Tamox in milder compounds for PCT, or on its own for a solo run.
Osta stacked high can be suppressive but honestly the sides are non existent , I have personally done 50mg a day with no problems , gained 8 ilb in 6 weeks which I kept, a mate on here the same
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/02 19:45:00 (permalink)
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Yea I have mates who have done this and say it works especially in the power lifting circles when they want to clean out quickly.
Truthfully if your taking the Clomid I wouldn't bother with the Armour , its best used in my experience instead of Clomid , Tamox in milder compounds for PCT, or on its own for a solo run.
Osta stacked high can be suppressive but honestly the sides are non existent , I have personally done 50mg a day with no problems , gained 8 ilb in 6 weeks which I kept, a mate on here the same
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Thanks. What do you reckon to just using armour for the 4 off weeks bud at 2 caps, you reckon id recover?
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 08:14:44 (permalink)
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I have personally used it on its own with no problems, only one way to find out bud.
  
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 08:33:42 (permalink)
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I have personally used it on its own with no problems, only one way to find out bud.
  


True! What dose did you use bud? The recommended 3? Or less?
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 08:46:19 (permalink)
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I used 2 in pct , 3 when I have run it on its own. Thats 10mg of Osta a day on 2 caps which should help you keep gains along with the rest of the stuff in it. 
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 08:55:27 (permalink)
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I used 2 in pct , 3 when I have run it on its own. Thats 10mg of Osta a day on 2 caps which should help you keep gains along with the rest of the stuff in it. 


And your balls recovered back to pre-cycle size just using armour at 2 caps per day, libido back etc?
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 09:07:11 (permalink)
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Yep but I didn't have bloods so its all in the feeling of it.
Continually cycling Test prop 2 on 4 off its hard to suggest where you may be after a few cycles mate to be honest , if in doubt use your usual Clomid.
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 09:36:15 (permalink)
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Yep but I didn't have bloods so its all in the feeling of it.
Continually cycling Test prop 2 on 4 off its hard to suggest where you may be after a few cycles mate to be honest , if in doubt use your usual Clomid.


Yep i'll maybe try and use them like that (2caps a day for 4 weeks alone) say every 3 cycles and when im cutting to be able to extend that phase without muscle loss hopefully!

Order will be in soon bud, thanks for your help
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 10:58:09 (permalink)
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Well, I'm going to contradict the boss here, I love the combo of osta and a serm, my choice being nolva, it in and of itself is a spectacular cycle. 
supression from osta is still out, it reduces free/total test in studies, but also greatly reduces shbg, so the ''supression'' may just be that the test is unbound and used. it does not, repeat NOT, reduce FSH or LH. so , you know, all good IMHO, but dealers choice.
 
if you do a 2 week blast, then i would probably be inclined to go:
2 weeks on
2 weeks clomid (as you chose, although, I don't know why you would limit it?)
4 weeks armour.
rinse and repeat.
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 11:13:28 (permalink)
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Well, I'm going to contradict the boss here, I love the combo of osta and a serm, my choice being nolva, it in and of itself is a spectacular cycle. 
supression from osta is still out, it reduces free/total test in studies, but also greatly reduces shbg, so the ''supression'' may just be that the test is unbound and used. it does not, repeat NOT, reduce FSH or LH. so , you know, all good IMHO, but dealers choice.
 
if you do a 2 week blast, then i would probably be inclined to go:
2 weeks on
2 weeks clomid (as you chose, although, I don't know why you would limit it?)
4 weeks armour.
rinse and repeat.




Yep fair one Simon
i will shut up !  
 
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 11:51:23 (permalink)
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Well, I'm going to contradict the boss here, I love the combo of osta and a serm, my choice being nolva, it in and of itself is a spectacular cycle. 
supression from osta is still out, it reduces free/total test in studies, but also greatly reduces shbg, so the ''supression'' may just be that the test is unbound and used. it does not, repeat NOT, reduce FSH or LH. so , you know, all good IMHO, but dealers choice.
 
if you do a 2 week blast, then i would probably be inclined to go:
2 weeks on
2 weeks clomid (as you chose, although, I don't know why you would limit it?)
4 weeks armour.
rinse and repeat.


Thanks for chiming in simon. Idea of using a serm for only 2 weeks was that im just wanting to kickstart my own production quickly rather being on a serm for the whole time im not on cycle.

Would you just use the armour at 2 caps the same as i was thinking or go the 3? Also are you suggesting the whole cycle be 8 weeks or are you saying to incorporate the clomid or nolva and the armour together for the first 2 weeks post cycle? It reads like the former but thought i best check?
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 13:08:47 (permalink)
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Yeah, combining the two, so one runs 2 weeks past the other. Still the same 4 week off period.

Hmmm, 2 caps and see how you enjoy it. I love osta, great compound. Dhea is a win in my book too, with the addition of the AI/cortisol ingredient, you may like it more than you think.
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 13:09:25 (permalink)
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Well, I'm going to contradict the boss here, I love the combo of osta and a serm, my choice being nolva, it in and of itself is a spectacular cycle. 
supression from osta is still out, it reduces free/total test in studies, but also greatly reduces shbg, so the ''supression'' may just be that the test is unbound and used. it does not, repeat NOT, reduce FSH or LH. so , you know, all good IMHO, but dealers choice.
 
if you do a 2 week blast, then i would probably be inclined to go:
2 weeks on
2 weeks clomid (as you chose, although, I don't know why you would limit it?)
4 weeks armour.
rinse and repeat.


My P45 in the post then?

Yep fair one Simon
i will shut up !  
 


Mr P45 in the post then?
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 13:25:35 (permalink)
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Yeah, combining the two, so one runs 2 weeks past the other. Still the same 4 week off period.

Hmmm, 2 caps and see how you enjoy it. I love osta, great compound. Dhea is a win in my book too, with the addition of the AI/cortisol ingredient, you may like it more than you think.


Excellent, thanks Si!
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/03 14:51:30 (permalink)
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no probs
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/05 18:22:05 (permalink)
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Order in :-)
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Re: Question about BC Armour 2015/02/05 18:29:20 (permalink)
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Have mine in my hands.
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