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2009/08/03 12:31:42 (permalink)
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Real food vs complete protien powders

I have a mate at uni whose diet goes along the following

* Breakfast - Whey Protein in water.
AM Workout (trains with me often)
* 1 hour PWO - 2 scoops Total Protein in SS milk, flax seeds bowl of oats in SS milk.
* Mid day - As above without the oats and instead two Narins oatcakes
* Mid afternoon - As Mid day
* Main Meal (only meal really) Beef/Chicken with WG pasta rice. 
* Supper - Casein Protein


Now everything I have ever learned tells me that is far to much shake and far to little real food.  So can anyone tell me how his results are superb.  I know genetics etc plays a big part and yeah he takes roids and ephy periodically etc but so do I and lots of others. 

I eat real food all the time and pay close attention to diet and he is in no way behind me at all. 

Interested to know why??



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    Gothic_Muscle
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/03 19:50:26 (permalink)
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    Your friends use of shakes looks rather familiar to my own use of shakes to me shakes are food, end of, you won't convince me otherwise!  Too many variables to pin point which one or why one person grows at a faster rate than another, all things being equal!  


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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/03 19:59:28 (permalink)
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    If I thought protein powder wasn't real food, I wouldn't buy it.

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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/03 20:00:58 (permalink)
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    its another friend mate.  I have 2 you know :]

    I actually train with the guy I'm on about and according to what I am taught, hear, read, he isnt getting enough 'real' food.

    Ive told him this and he answers- "so?"  He gains fine so why would he care?

    Im more wanting to know why people say you 'need' real food.  As ever, im open minded to both sides.

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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/03 20:05:20 (permalink)
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    His body buiding may be going good with protein powder, but life isn't just about bb.  All the nutrients, vitamins and minerlas in real food are required for optimal health benefits/body function.  I don't see any fruit or veg in his diet at all - That can't be a good thing.
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/03 20:54:38 (permalink)
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    Maybe if he varied his selection of amino acids would he gain better? Who knows, may be worth experiementing? Also all food has a thermic effect on the body and generally whey will be much more easily digested which has it's advantages and disadvanatges. To me that's a disadvantage when using it as a MRP simply because i'd rather have my body burning off more calories to digest the food i'm eating than less. The faster i can get my metabolism the better. But for those that naturally have a fast metabolism it's not so much of a concern. I don't and so use all the tools available to me i.e solid food, green tea, cardio/weights then of course PEDs can play a part.

    To answer your question tho at the end of the day he's getting enough protein and providing his body with enough fuel. Therefore he gains. Genetics/training/supplements means he gains well.
    post edited by All4n - 2009/08/03 20:55:40
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/03 22:05:49 (permalink)
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    sorry wilks he does eat a ton of fruit in the form of apples and bananas and oranges.  Dont see any veg though.

    So does th body know the difference between total protein (or other brand equivalent) and say a steak or chicken breast?



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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/03 22:26:00 (permalink)
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    for me its like this

    the way he does it still provide same gains but is more likley to give you bad toilet visits

    and probably makes you feel less "full" from meals so if you are predesposed to cheating on diets it will be harder.
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/03 23:22:15 (permalink)
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    Mickey123

    sorry wilks he does eat a ton of fruit in the form of apples and bananas and oranges.  Dont see any veg though.

    So does th body know the difference between total protein (or other brand equivalent) and say a steak or chicken breast?


    I would think that it's not the protein that's the problem but the lack of overall minerals, nutrients and other 'goodies'.
     
    Life's about balance and the reason we eat a balanced diet is to provide our body with as varied a nutrient content as possible. 
     
    I would suggest that your friend is missing out on a whole world of good stuff.  Tell him to eat some salad and veg!
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 07:25:40 (permalink)
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    So Wilks, you think his diet is fine as long as he eats salad and veg? 
    You see even that is alien to what I have learned over the years.  Unless I just got the wrong impression people go on about the benefits of real food so much you would think there was going to be a 50% difference in gains.

    Fair point Swordfish re not feeling full.  TBH I enjoy my food too much to do what he does.  Mind its tempting to think instead of carrying 3 pre made meals around with me during term time I could go for one meal and two doddle to prepare shakes.

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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 07:42:04 (permalink)
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    I think you have got the wrong impression. Solid food is better. But that doesn't mean you're going to gain something silly like 50% more muscle that if you just had shakes. Solid food as numerous benefits, as described by those above, but you can still of course get by on shakes, it's still protein. Long as rest of diet/training in check then physiologically no reason why you won't gain at a decent rate.

    If your friend did exchange shakes for solid food and was able to keep cals/protein content roughly the same then i'd hazard a guess he'd quite possibly become (over time) leaner. May even feel better i.e more energy, better mood etc.
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 09:14:21 (permalink)
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    Cheers All4n.  I must have just been taking in wrong what everyone has been saying these last few years. 
    When everyone keeps saying real food is better I just took that to mean better as in every regard even gains.  IE shakes are not as good as real food.

    As a result of this thread I may try to drop real meals to 50% and do shakes for the remaining 50%.  So much less hassle to prepare and highly portable.  Far easier to drink a 'pre shook' shake on a train than trying to eat a cold spag bol.

    Also there is no 'no appitie' probs anymore.  I have never ever been too full or off my food not to ba able to neck a shake.

    Also Also, ill never go off chocolate or strawberry milk shake flavour.  There is only so much salmon and chicken I can eat before it just turns to mush in my mouth and my body refuses to swallow and it all becomes a real pain.

    I can think of a ton of benefits to a 50% shake diet if gains are chance to be slightly better. 

    Wish Id know this ages ago.  Thanks again

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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 10:06:07 (permalink)
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    Don't think I could handle all that amount of shakes, I do prefer real food but I have them in the morning and pre workout for ease. At least now I know I'm not cheating myself in any way by replacing these meals with shakes instead of real food!
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 10:15:16 (permalink)
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    mikejm
    At least now I know I'm not cheating myself in any way by replacing these meals with shakes instead of real food!


    Hey Mike,

    This is exactly how I felt the real food thing was sold do me.  Like I was getting lesser nutrition or whatever if it wasn't real.
    Ill still be having 3 real meals a day as like you I prefer real food.  But my other 3 or 4 meals, shakes all the way from now on.


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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 18:47:59 (permalink)
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    Mickey123

    So Wilks, you think his diet is fine as long as he eats salad and veg? 
    You see even that is alien to what I have learned over the years.  Unless I just got the wrong impression people go on about the benefits of real food so much you would think there was going to be a 50% difference in gains.

     
    I'm not an expert by any means mate, and have asked for diet help on here myself.
     
    BUT - Even although bodybuilcing diets require a lot more protein than you standard Joe's everyday diet, I would imagine that every sports nutritionist would recommend balance and fruit and veg.

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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 18:56:57 (permalink)
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    yeah but were sort of off the point here.

    It huge news to me that drinking a load of shakes is as good as real proteins, carbs and fats now.  Greens aside

    Another thing to keep in mind.  All fruit and veg bought from supermarkets is seriously F'd with unless organic.  Our food is just not that nutrient dense anymore due to preserving processes etc etc, so don't go thinking smart priced apples for EG will have a similar value to an apple from the 1950's for eg.

    Vitamin and mineral supplements are still a must in my opinion but this is a different thread.  



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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 21:48:55 (permalink)
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    Meat contains a lot more than just proteins and fats and grains contain a lot more than just carbohydrate and fibre

    Acessory nutrients, their levels source and type is the issue here. Even with fruit and veg with the shakes you will miss out on some of these as compared to a variety of whole food meals instead. I would encourage you to look at ways to get the whol food meals together more easily.

    You can almost get a whole food type shake but even then you use these to supplement 3-4 meals a day. Example:

    Blend:

    Mixed protein powder (casein, egg etc)
    Mixed nuts
    Decent greens powder
    Flax seeds
    Berries
    maybe some oats
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/04 22:35:27 (permalink)
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    What's decent greens powder?
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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/05 08:47:42 (permalink)
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    Drewsky  - would I use the same or similar in every shake?

    Would I need nuts and flax seeds if I take omega 3 oils?


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    Re:Real food vs complete protien powders 2009/08/05 09:53:14 (permalink)
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    One of the best cuts I did a few years ago involved replacing my evening meal with a shake, as well as a couple more shakes through the day to keep protein high (mid morning/afternoon).  Yes I was hungry on a night, but it was only as I went to bed.  Worked wonders and stopped my evening meals becoming messy.
     
    Great if you've not got the best will power.  The only reason I don't do this now, is because I do all the cooking and it means I'd have to cook a meal just for my wife.
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