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2006/07/08 20:53:21 (permalink)
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Red wine

I had some red wine a while ago with my streak, now I have a taste for it. I'd be fine having just 1 glass of red with my steak 3-4 times a week wouldn't I? While on CEE ect.

I think it has its health benefits if you just have a one glassa night or 3-4 a week.

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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/09 03:28:30 (permalink)
    I absoulutely love the stuff and go through 4-5 bottles over a weekend, one of my biggest vices..
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/09 03:53:15 (permalink)
    The recommended maximum intake of red wine is 2 glasses per day. I don't know if that's for an 8st woman or a 16st man, though.
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/09 19:31:26 (permalink)
    Ok thanks guys

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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/09 22:41:19 (permalink)
    do red grapes hold the same health benifits?
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/09 23:26:54 (permalink)
    Yes - absolutely fantastic for you. It has benefits for the heart, as an anti-cancer agent and helps to reduce cholesrterol. A couple of small 125ml glasses a night are excellent for general health.....the 1/2 dozen bottles at the weekend, not so good though!!!!

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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/09 23:49:08 (permalink)
    so the benifits from the grapes outweighs the negatives from alcohol?
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/10 00:42:37 (permalink)
    Small amounts of alcohol (the amount in 2 glasses of red wine/day) is good for you. As the amount of alcohol increases, it becomes bad for you. By 4 glasses of red wine/day, you're back where you started.
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/10 02:28:38 (permalink)
    is it the alcohol or the wine that's good though

    you could have some red grapes and seperatly have some form of alcoholic beverage and get the best of both worlds.

    so for me... I have seedless red grapes and a pint or 2 of guinness - a pint a day keeps the doctor away (I've heard that about apples too)



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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/10 10:20:27 (permalink)
    The key to reaping the health benefits of red wine seems to be moderate consumption. Drinking one glass a day for women and up to two glasses a day for men may decrease the risk of heart disease, cancer and stroke. Excessive or binge drinking, however, doesn't produce the same benefits. In other words, when it comes to red wine: more is not better.

    Healing Powers of Antioxidants

    The compounds found in red wine that are responsible for its healing powers are antioxidants. Red wines contain several antioxidants beneficial to good health. Different antioxidants have different functions, but the key feature of all these antioxidants appears
    to be one of protection and prevention of disease


    http://www.red-wine-and-health.com/

    I think you need the wine as it uses a lot of grapes to get the levels of concentrates required for health benefits, I'm not sure a bunch of red-grapes will have the same effect??

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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/10 10:36:36 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Nigeepoo

    The recommended maximum intake of red wine is 2 glasses per day. I don't know if that's for an 8st woman or a 16st man, though.

    More importantly, the recommended intake of acohol is 21 units per week for men, or 17 for women. That's not all in one go of course, so should be spread over the week. In fact, a little acohol in moderation is better than not drinking any at all.

    Red wine in particular has a VERY powerful anti-oxidant in it, which is one of the only free-radical scavengers to cross the blood-brain barrier. Its found in the grape seed. Its not in white wine however, as the seeds are taken out before firmantation of white wine, where as they are taken out afterwards with Red wine.

    So a little red wine is good for you. 3-4 bottles in a weekend is far from healthy skindog, lol!

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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/10 14:34:38 (permalink)
    suggest a cheap but OK red wine please?

    should we allow our children to have a half glass with there meal? (not that mine would actually drink it cause of the taste but curious to what ppl think)
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/10 14:56:47 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: JohnOvManchester

    suggest a cheap but OK red wine please?

    should we allow our children to have a half glass with there meal? (not that mine would actually drink it cause of the taste but curious to what ppl think)



    they allow it in france from like the age of 10 i think, dont know if thats because of health benefit or the fact that they are french though

    a small watered down glass might be good maybe?
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/10 15:03:40 (permalink)
    I grew up in Italy. They give wine to kids of all ages with meals, watered down a bit in most cases. I think it teaches children a good reposibility of acohol. They learn to associate it with food, rather than getting smashed out of their skulls as soon as they're old enough to drink (and before if they get away with it). They wont have a fascination with alcohol in the same way kids here do, as they arent allowed access to it for so many years. Also, and possibly more influentially, culture on the continent is such that barring the odd piss-head, there isnt as much binge-drinking alcohol abuse.

    'pycnogenol' by the way is the powerful anti-oxidant in grape seed. Its also found in maritime tree bark, and is very expensive to buy as a suppliment. About £25 for 30 capsules.
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/10 19:34:37 (permalink)
    JohnO - Anything from Spain, Italy or France (the Aussie stuff tends to have a higher ABV% and to my taste is a bit over-powering on the sweetness) for between £3.50 - £5 will be OK. Look for a Tempranillo grape from Spain, a Syrah, Grenache or Cabernet Sauvignon from France and Primitivo from Italy.

    Any of the main supermarkets have a good selection!

    Enjoy!

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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/11 15:58:37 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Nigeepoo

    The recommended maximum intake of red wine is 2 glasses per day. I don't know if that's for an 8st woman or a 16st man, though.

    Nige where did you hear that?
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/11 16:01:07 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Magnitude
    More importantly, the recommended intake of acohol is 21 units per week for men, or 17 for women. That's not all in one go of course, so should be spread over the week. In fact, a little acohol in moderation is better than not drinking any at all.

    Red wine in particular has a VERY powerful anti-oxidant in it, which is one of the only free-radical scavengers to cross the blood-brain barrier. Its found in the grape seed. Its not in white wine however, as the seeds are taken out before firmantation of white wine, where as they are taken out afterwards with Red wine.

    So a little red wine is good for you. 3-4 bottles in a weekend is far from healthy skindog, lol!

    Those figures are dated - used to be 21 and 14, now it's 28 and 21 because there has been shown to be no increased health problems at these levels - of course the advice is also not to binge drink and to have 2 alcoohol free days per week at least.

    Mag - are you saying that only red wine has a free-radical scavenger which crosses the BBB? which one is this? I have not heard this before.
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/12 01:17:47 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: James
    Nige where did you hear that?
    I can't remember exactly, but http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/alcohol.html has some info' on it.
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    RE: Red wine 2006/07/12 11:18:31 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: James


    ORIGINAL: Magnitude
    More importantly, the recommended intake of acohol is 21 units per week for men, or 17 for women. That's not all in one go of course, so should be spread over the week. In fact, a little acohol in moderation is better than not drinking any at all.

    Red wine in particular has a VERY powerful anti-oxidant in it, which is one of the only free-radical scavengers to cross the blood-brain barrier. Its found in the grape seed. Its not in white wine however, as the seeds are taken out before firmantation of white wine, where as they are taken out afterwards with Red wine.

    So a little red wine is good for you. 3-4 bottles in a weekend is far from healthy skindog, lol!

    Those figures are dated - used to be 21 and 14, now it's 28 and 21 because there has been shown to be no increased health problems at these levels - of course the advice is also not to binge drink and to have 2 alcoohol free days per week at least.

    Mag - are you saying that only red wine has a free-radical scavenger which crosses the BBB? which one is this? I have not heard this before.


    James,

    ORIGINAL: Magnitude
    'pycnogenol' by the way is the powerful anti-oxidant in grape seed. Its also found in french maritime tree bark, and is very expensive to buy as a suppliment. About £25 for 30 capsules.


    I used to buy this as a suppliment, but got expensive after a while. Its one of the only to cross the B-B_barrier, so can 'help' prevent degenerative deseases in the brain caused by free-radical damage.

    EDIT:
    PS. thanks for posting the updated recommended weekly units of alcohol.
    post edited by Magnitude - 2006/07/12 11:19:44

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    RE: Red wine 2006/09/10 18:45:41 (permalink)
    Does Roset class as red here or we talking proper red wine?
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