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2008/05/21 21:14:02 (permalink)
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Reducing body water

How would one going about reducing the final bit of body water towards the end of a cut to get that defined look? any tips? i know the obvious lower sodium intake and drink 10+ litres of water a day, i heard Dandelion root is a pretty good natural duiretic as is vit c. also has anyone tryed aquaban or the herbal version?
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/21 21:25:24 (permalink)
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    Run 15 grams of vit C and a jug of good coffee, and drink a lot of water.

    Sodium and carbs must be low.
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/21 21:37:22 (permalink)
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    15g of vit c? are you sure thats one hell of a dose! most people seem to say like 3-4g of vit c a day
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/21 22:48:40 (permalink)
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    I wouldn't do that if I were you.

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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/21 23:06:19 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: arnold84

    15g of vit c? are you sure thats one hell of a dose! most people seem to say like 3-4g of vit c a day


    Happy 500th post.
    15g of vit C per day would probably be safe, but unnecessary. Coffee and/or caffeine are good at getting the water out. Also, check the sodium levels of the water you are drinking, chances are they are very low, but if not, maybe look at bottle water.

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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 00:21:26 (permalink)
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    are you competing as if not you can only maintain a dry state for a very short period.
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 09:39:18 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: FatboyGinger


    ORIGINAL: arnold84

    15g of vit c? are you sure thats one hell of a dose! most people seem to say like 3-4g of vit c a day


    Happy 500th post.
    15g of vit C per day would probably be safe, but unnecessary. Coffee and/or caffeine are good at getting the water out. Also, check the sodium levels of the water you are drinking, chances are they are very low, but if not, maybe look at bottle water.


    cheers bud will look into sodium levels in my water

    are you competing as if not you can only maintain a dry state for a very short period.


    no not competing cliff, im not looking for a really dry state like on stage. i just want to keep body water levels to a minimum using OTC stuff.

    Anyone got any imput on Dandelion root or aquaban?
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 10:24:37 (permalink)
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    arnold there is a link on the front page of my journal to water manipulation

    its a state that can only be held for a day tops so pointless unless its for a photoshoot or taking some piccies you shall hold forever dearly

    with regards to water on OTC stuff then make sure your diet is clean and not full of crap, lowish salt intake and remember carbs hold water too
    post edited by theiopener - 2008/05/22 10:25:29
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 10:36:11 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: arnold84

    Anyone got any imput on Dandelion root or aquaban?


    I've used the Dandelion root one, reasonably effective.

    In French, the plant is called pissenlit - which translates to 'piss the bed' LOL
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 10:49:34 (permalink)
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    thanks for that TIO. my diet is very clean at the moe im on around 200g of cho a day, people keep telling me to lower cho to reduce water. do you think it will be worth lowering my cho in the final week of dieting and replacing them with fats? heres a link to my current diet http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_2511832/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#2511832
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 10:51:20 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: arnold84
    i just want to keep body water levels to a minimum using OTC stuff.


    You do know your body is just a big bag of chemical reactions happening mostly in solution?

    The thing is.... water is important!

    Sure, having a look at chronic salt intake may help if it is high but if you start messing with different salt levels like K and Na salts then your body just rearranges things, if you drink loads and then cut your fluid and take diuretics then you body after a time will rally against these influences.

    Homeostasis folks, your body likes to control it's internal environment and will adjust using hormones, the adjustment(s), if large and long term, can be potentially problematic. Consequently 'Dry' as a state should only be aimed at in a small window.

    Taking strong diuretics unless it is for some diagnosed clinical condition is at best not very effective, probably stupid and possibly quite harmful.

    Also I was reiterate as it's not clear whether or not you're considering it that I would strong advise against taking that much vit C, well, unless you really hate your current set of kidneys.

    ORIGINAL: FatboyGinger
    15g of vit C per day would probably be safe


    FBG that one above is for you mate! Google vit c + oxalosis. There's some evidence to suggest that long term megadosing can lead to kidney problems.

    Arnold84, what is you estimated bodyfat%? Dropping a couple of % will help a lot more with helping you to look more cut and vascular. Dry is really something you have to worry about when you're in single digits.


    I hope you listen to the above, it is my professional opinion, albeit with not much info to go on.

    EDIT: for clarity
    post edited by drewsky - 2008/05/22 10:54:09
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 10:52:16 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: RedHotF


    ORIGINAL: arnold84

    Anyone got any imput on Dandelion root or aquaban?


    I've used the Dandelion root one, reasonably effective.

    In French, the plant is called pissenlit - which translates to 'piss the bed' LOL


    I know your a female redhot but what sort of doses did you run and for how long?
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 10:53:23 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: arnold84


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    ORIGINAL: arnold84

    Anyone got any imput on Dandelion root or aquaban?


    I've used the Dandelion root one, reasonably effective.

    In French, the plant is called pissenlit - which translates to 'piss the bed' LOL


    I know your a female redhot but what sort of doses did you run and for how long?


    Oh nothing hardcore at all, just a few pills for a few days in anticipation of having to squeeze into a very fitted and tight frock
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 10:59:40 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: drewsky

    ORIGINAL: arnold84
    i just want to keep body water levels to a minimum using OTC stuff.


    You do know your body is just a big bag of chemical reactions happening mostly in solution?

    The thing is.... water is important!

    Sure, having a look at chronic salt intake may help if it is high but if you start messing with different salt levels like K and Na salts then your body just rearranges things, if you drink loads and then cut your fluid and take diuretics then you body after a time will rally against these influences.

    Homeostasis folks, your body likes to control it's internal environment and will adjust using hormones, the adjustment(s), if large and long term, can be potentially problematic. Consequently 'Dry' as a state should only be aimed at in a small window.

    Taking strong diuretics unless it is for some diagnosed clinical condition is at best not very effective, probably stupid and possibly quite harmful.

    Also I was reiterate as it's not clear whether or not you're considering it that I would strong advise against taking that much vit C, well, unless you really hate your current set of kidneys.

    ORIGINAL: FatboyGinger
    15g of vit C per day would probably be safe


    FBG that one above is for you mate! Google vit c + oxalosis. There's some evidence to suggest that long term megadosing can lead to kidney problems.

    Arnold84, what is you estimated bodyfat%? Dropping a couple of % will help a lot more with helping you to look more cut and vascular. Dry is really something you have to worry about when you're in single digits.


    I hope you listen to the above, it is my professional opinion, albeit with not much info to go on.

    EDIT: for clarity


    Advice taken onboard drewsky, and i dont think i would ever consider taking 15gs of vit c a day! lol. im currently 13% bf and have another three weeks left of cutting, and wouldnt mind getting some pics in the final week in a semi dry state.
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 11:00:33 (permalink)
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    Again it homeostasis, if you drink lots of water for 4-5 days you body will up regulate the hormone that single to the kidney to increase output, then you stop drinking and your body flushes out too much water. Again, transient, again not something you would want to do too ofetn.
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 11:11:03 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: arnold84
    Advice taken onboard drewsky, and i dont think i would ever consider taking 15gs of vit c a day! lol. im currently 13% bf and have another three weeks left of cutting, and wouldnt mind getting some pics in the final week in a semi dry state.


    Cool. I always get a little worried when I hear Q's like this and it's not clear if it is long term or not.

    James is the real expert on this not me [small plug: his book contains advice on this topic] but the easiest ways for you to prepare for a few photos is the water intake manipulation (like in my last post) and carb intake manipulation used together with some from of depletion exercise (repeat high volume weights).

    You can then add some glycerine (a few hours before) and maybe a NOX product (an hour before) into the mix.

    Hardcore water and salt manipulation (i.e. going low Na and then taking lots of K plus diuretics ) is difficult possibly inadvisable and you'd need someone with some knowledge to help someone like me or preferably James.
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 11:17:58 (permalink)
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    thanks for the advice drewsky when you say carb manipulation do you mean deplete my carb afew day before? like keep all carbs pre and post workout?
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/22 11:58:16 (permalink)
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    Yes low (under 50g) and from sensible sources then a carb up with high GI type carbs just before (but not too much)
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/23 19:11:07 (permalink)
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    13%.... diet and cardio my friend
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    RE: Reducing body water 2008/05/23 22:38:30 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: arnold84

    How would one going about reducing the final bit of body water towards the end of a cut to get that defined look? any tips? i know the obvious lower sodium intake and drink 10+ litres of water a day, i heard Dandelion root is a pretty good natural duiretic as is vit c. also has anyone tryed aquaban or the herbal version?

    Why would you do this if you weren't doing a comp or photoshoot?

    This is merely a temporary look for literally a few hours.

    Vit C is a mild diuretic in short term mega doses. Dandelion root is quite effective. Otherwise it's a complex task of playing around with sodium, water and alcohol, tied in with carb loading, for a few days, just to look best for a few hours
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