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Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork

... uhhh... yeah.
 

 
 
Ladies & Gents,
 
Following on from the success of my ostarine trial, I've decided to chronicle my foray into LGD 4033.
 
I will be testing 4033 at 5mg for 6 weeks (45 days) during a slow controlled bulk. I am planning to just use DAA and 6Bromo for PCT. I do have nolva on hand though if blood results show greater level of suppression than expected.
 
As mentioned I am currently slow bulking/reverse dieting. I am also using creatine and whey protein but will avoid all other supplements, limit alcohol consumption, and anything else that may skew results.
 
 
Aim:
  • Increase lean body mass by a visual degree
  • Limit fat gain (monitored by waist measurement)
  • Explore the effectiveness of LGD as a bulking aid
  • Identify/explore any negative effects on the endocrine system.
 
Subject: (me)
  • 33 years of age, training on/off for 10 years but solidly training now for 12 months. Primarily training for hypertrophy.
  • Currently weighing 95.7kg at 6'5" tall
  • Waist measurement is 97cm
  • BF% estimated around 16-18%
  • I have the occasional drink but do not take drugs or smoke. Currently only on asthma medications.
  • Diet is regimented and clean aside from a daily treat in the form of a bit of chocolate or fast food stop.
  • Lower back injury from 12 years ago is currently in good form despite a little sciatica now and again (deadlifts and heavy squats have been omitted from training for this reason.)
 
Method:
  • Maintain a gentle surplus to limit fat gain, adjusting cals as necessary.
  • Consume high protein diet consisting of approx 250g daily (~2.5g/kg bodyweight)
  • Training currently consists of high volume, two day split twice per week.
  • Compare before and after progress pics to hopefully discern a visible difference in appearance.
  • Blood tests - a baseline test has already been done, with more blood to be taken 3 weeks in, during week 6, and 4-6 weeks after that.
 
 
From my own research I have conducted I expect lipid profiles to take a negative hit on a 5mg dose. I also expect testosterone and free test to be knocked down by around 60% after 4 weeks of use. LH/FSH should remain largely untouched. It is reported to have a cumulative effect so I will most likely see any strength and size increases to occur around the 3-4 week mark.
  
Hopefully me doing these bloods and avoiding other products/supplements that might skew results will assist in uncovering exactly what effects LGD has on the body and can help others in making an informed decision.
 
I won't post my training sessions here- my training journal is for that. (You can jump to current part of my journal here.) However I will post at minimum a weekly update as to my progress and experiences. Posts may be more frequent if I get too excitable or bored lol.
 
First batch of progress pics were taken yesterday and will be posted when I get time to edit out the ugly lol.
 
 


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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/10/28 15:32:52 (permalink)
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    So here's my latest blood results some 10 weeks after finishing ostarine and prior to this LGD run.
     
    It's good to see that all lipids have returned to the green, in fact better than pre-osta. Progesterone still on the upper end of normal. I will continue to monitor this as some have had issues when using SARMS. Total test is good, again higher than pre-osta. Free test not quite in the same range as before but well within limits.
     
    My concern is still with DHEAS. It remains about half the minimum level. Unfortunately I don't have any readings pre-osta to compare to, so I can only speculate. It's either a case of a) the SARM use has had an impact on the long term recovery of DHEAS or b) my level was already low to begin with either naturally or affected by something else.
     
    I've done some googling and I don't have any of the symptoms of low DHEAS. As it's a precursor to testosterone and that has recovered well I'm not too worried at this stage, however it can apparently affect natural levels of the human growth hormone as well (which I haven't tested.) I've also read up on causes of low DHEAS and discovered that some medications, especially corticosteroids in long terms use (prednisolone was mentioned) can suppress DHEAS. Now I'm not on pred but I am using corticosteroids in the form of my seretide (Fluticasone propionate/salmeterol) inhaler, which I have been using daily for years. I will need to get a few other hormones tested and address with the doc. I am aware you can supplement with DHEA but I want to find out exactly where the issue lies before I start trying to patch things up.
     
    It will be interesting to see if DHEAS goes down further or remains unaffected during this run. I can address the DHEAS issue during my recovery when I have this information and can order another round of blood tests. Again not overly concerned at this stage as I'm not suffering and testosterone seems to be performing as expected.

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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/10/28 15:59:00 (permalink)
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    Time for pics!
     
    Comparison from this time last year. Recent ones taken 24/10/17.
     
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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/10/28 16:00:17 (permalink)
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    All pics taken on a non-training day with no pump.
     
    As mentioned previously in my journal I'm not all that super impressed with growth TBH.
     
    In my defence the first 3 months I did stronglifts, before turning to DC for 6 months and now volume training. I also completed a 3 month cut about halfway though this period where I lost 15 kilos.
     
    I am currently 95.8kg. Old pics are me at 104kg.
     
    Front pics could be mirror image lol. Side you can see I'm definitely trimmer, quads show a big difference and I think arms slightly bigger. Back pics you can certainly see I've lost BF. Hard to say if back really is bigger or just optical illusion from loss of fat. I also think triceps look a bit bigger in this shot.
     
    Hoping this run of LGD will see a little more size put on with the high volume work.
     
     
    Current measurements as of 24/10/17:
     
    Weight: 95.7kg
    Waist: 97cm
    Upper Arm (L):  35.5cm
    Upper Arm (L) Flexed: 38.5cm
    Forearm (L): 30.5cm
    Shoulders: 126cm
    Chest: 109cm
    Hips: 102.5cm
    Thigh (R): 63cm
    Calf (R): 37cm
     
    http://www.mm2k.com/muscle-measurements.html

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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/10/29 15:35:00 (permalink)
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    in!
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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/10/30 18:18:40 (permalink)
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    Im in! Great summary man. How did you like the Ostarine cycle?
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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/10/30 19:54:34 (permalink)
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    I'm just finishing a cycle of Olympus Labs LGD. I don't tend to weigh myself but there are definite visible changes & lifts have gone up, while keeping body fat the same.
    Overall very impressed, hopefully I keep the gains after PCT
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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/10/31 11:56:41 (permalink)
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    Cheers fellas!
     
    Gargolyl
    Im in! Great summary man. How did you like the Ostarine cycle?



    It was easy to manage. Virtually nil sides. I was cutting on it -the idea was the drug was originally designed to fight against muscle wasting conditions. How much it helped is up for debate. One fact that remains true is I lost 15kg in 3 months and did not lose any strength (not that I had much to begin with lol.)
     
     
    Mw1
    I'm just finishing a cycle of Olympus Labs LGD. I don't tend to weigh myself but there are definite visible changes & lifts have gone up, while keeping body fat the same.
    Overall very impressed, hopefully I keep the gains after PCT



    Sounds promising mate, thanks! Did you change your diet/increase cals? Also what was your PCT?

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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/03 03:44:09 (permalink)
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    Day 7
     
    Okay first update today. Bear in mind I am trying to reverse diet/slow bulk.


    • Measurements: 96.1kg B/W and 97cm waist. A nice controlled 0.4kg increase over the past 9 days with waist holding steady.
    • Training: Continuing to build volume on this mesocycle in week 3. Just starting to miss reps this week.
    • Diet/Hunger: No change. On osta the first week noticed I was very thirsty and got headaches, but nothing as yet.
    • Sleep: No change.
    • Energy: Pretty good nothing out of the ordinary. 
    • Libido: Definitely noticed a spike in libido. Wanting it all the time lol.
    • Mood/temperament: No change. 
    • General Obs: Nothing to report.

    Weight gain perhaps still a tiny bit excessive. Currently at 3750 cals daily. Going to hold it there as I had a few days where I exceed a little bit and this might account for the increases. Again no drastic changes in weight/waist ratio in first week unlike ostarine.

    Roll on week 2!
     
     


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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/03 05:54:00 (permalink)
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    Cheers fellas!
     
    Gargolyl
    Im in! Great summary man. How did you like the Ostarine cycle?



    It was easy to manage. Virtually nil sides. I was cutting on it -the idea was the drug was originally designed to fight against muscle wasting conditions. How much it helped is up for debate. One fact that remains true is I lost 15kg in 3 months and did not lose any strength (not that I had much to begin with lol.)
     
     
    Mw1
    I'm just finishing a cycle of Olympus Labs LGD. I don't tend to weigh myself but there are definite visible changes & lifts have gone up, while keeping body fat the same.
    Overall very impressed, hopefully I keep the gains after PCT



    Sounds promising mate, thanks! Did you change your diet/increase cals? Also what was your PCT?

    Yeah I upped my calls by 500ish. Pretty pleased that this hasn't led to any noticeable fat gain really, apart from slightly on my face. I'm going to keep bulking at this level until next year and see how I go. Maybe another run of LGD in March/April.

    PCT will be Nolva, I have some so silly not to.

    I've had a cold the last couple of weeks I can't shift and the last week I've been feeling more tired & a bit run down - probably signs of shut down
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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/03 06:00:59 (permalink)
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    Sounds good. What dose and for how long? Does sound like you are nearing the end of the cycle with those symptoms though.

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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/03 06:45:21 (permalink)
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    Sounds good. What dose and for how long? Does sound like you are nearing the end of the cycle with those symptoms though.


    I bought 60 4mg caps. Did approx 10 days on 4mg and the rest 8mg a day. Today is the last day.
    Definitely noticed the difference between 4mg and 8mg a day.
    Overall (so far...) for gains vs sides I'd recommend LGD, just gotta work even harder during PCT to keep the benefits!
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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/03 07:04:06 (permalink)
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    Hmmm I'm on 5mg but only been a week so far. Apparently it has a cumulative effect and takes a few weeks to build up in your system. If I get to say week 3-4 with no changes I'll probably look at doubling the last half, but we will see.

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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/07 10:08:58 (permalink)
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    I’m guessing that after 3 weeks ur gonna bump the dose😉

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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/08 02:33:16 (permalink)
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    I’m guessing that after 3 weeks ur gonna bump the dose😉


    Lol mate if I get that far. TBH last few days I have been feeling quite bloated and am now convinced it's the LGD. What's more seems to be getting worse. If it doesn't clear in a few days I think I'll just cancel the run...

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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/08 04:59:19 (permalink)
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    After my 2 runs with it I’m sticking to Osta mate

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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/10 03:43:39 (permalink)
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    Day 11
     
    Unfortunately I've decided to bin this cycle and discontinue use.
     
    Since my last update on day 7, I've been experiencing bad bloating to the point even downing a glass of water is ridiculous. This is despite feeling hungrier. Combine the two and it makes for some uncomfortable situations lol. Having breakfast in the morning and instantly feeling like I've been to a buffet is not fun.
     
    Additionally, and perhaps most importantly, I'm 99% sure this is affecting my sleep -I have been more restless of late and suffering for it. Whether this is a result of the bloating or the LGD itself I don't know. Both effects at this time seem to be getting worse rather than being temporary in nature.
     
    I figure the sides (albeit minor) at this point outweigh the little gain I'll be getting from the compound, so I've chosen to stop now and start recovery for my impending p-mag cycle. One positive side I did note was I am holding more water- making me look pumped even when cold, which is always nice.
     
    As said, if I was likely to get more return on my investment I'd be happy to put up with the sides, but in this case I know I won't. Instead I'll pursue a p-mag cycle with will be a greater return for possibly less sides.
     
    LGD might be a good alternative SARM for others, but not for me I'm afraid.
     
    I've started 6 Bromo for 30 days which should be enough for me to recover from just 11 days of LGD.
     
    Cheers and apologies to anyone following this thread hoping for results.
     
     


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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/10 06:21:32 (permalink)
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    Wise decision bud. All these different compounds react differently for each individual. This one didn't work for you so no point suffering it for the sake of it.
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    Re: Rock and ... Ligand-rol? My LGD 4033 Trial complete with bloodwork 2017/11/10 06:43:58 (permalink)
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    Wise decision bud. All these different compounds react differently for each individual. This one didn't work for you so no point suffering it for the sake of it.



    Yeah for certain mate.
     
    One lesson I did take from it- I've never actually felt bloated before! Missus complains about it constantly especially around that time of the month. At least now I know what she is talking about lol.

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