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2009/07/26 14:13:17 (permalink)
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SD - gyno and delayed gyno

I plan to start Stealth labz SD/tren 2mra @ 20mg SD / 60mg tren for 3 weeks, pct nolva.

I got some really helpful info from ramtillidie regarding this and just wondered what other members opinions were on this especially from personal experience.

I plan to run nolva 20mg and Recon pct ATD (50mg per cap) 3 tabs ed 4 days, 2 tabs ed 4 days, 1 tab ed 4 days, then 1  every 2 days, 3 days and so on when gyno signs pop up eg itchy nips.

Thoughts please??? Thanks.
post edited by Icemansoldier - 2009/07/26 14:15:06
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/26 16:14:11 (permalink)
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    ice don't worry about this to much. You may not get any signs. If you do then run 20mg of nolva through cycle. Then run "run nolva 20mg and Recon pct ATD (50mg per cap) 3 tabs ed 4 days, 2 tabs ed 4 days, 1 tab ed 4 days, then 1  every 2 days, 3 days and so" as pct.
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/26 16:32:28 (permalink)
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    Ok cool thanks kraven, i understand im worrying to much but when you go into these things you wanna know everything if you know what i mean so your prepared.
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/26 18:34:59 (permalink)
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    if only everyone went in as prepped as you are !

    look good naked :D
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/26 18:50:58 (permalink)
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    Thanks ragp :) better safe than sorry.
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/26 22:23:30 (permalink)
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    Ice

      Glad to see you about to start, pct looks great, nolva on hand incase of itchy nips, well sorted mate, should have no probs. Best of luck with cycle and watch that bench press increase (great feeling).
       
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 00:54:16 (permalink)
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    it would be a wise move to run clomid or torem in pct after a SD cycle (or any other steroid thats show progestin properties). as nolva can upregulate the progesterone receptor and this is what causes the delayed gyno. just a thought to remember..... all that aside you seem to have done your research well good luck
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 10:48:53 (permalink)
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    From what I've seen, it's the use of an A/I on it's own or alongside Nolva that seems to cause delayed gyno... although they're all only theories.

    I will be using Nolva only (alongside supplement stack) for PCT, so fingers crossed!
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 11:27:38 (permalink)
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    Skullcrusher

    From what I've seen, it's the use of an A/I on it's own or alongside Nolva that seems to cause delayed gyno... although they're all only theories.

    I will be using Nolva only (alongside supplement stack) for PCT, so fingers crossed!


    use of AN AI in pct can cause estrogen rebound if using a strong AI such as letro and not tapering off properly. The whole delayed gyno from SD due to the use of nolva in pct is from a totally different pathway. Even the man who invented superdrol (DR.D) states this, so would be better to be safe than sorry and use either a different serm from nolva or use an AI such as aromasin in pct. just my 2p
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 12:07:49 (permalink)
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    From what I've seen, it's the use of an A/I on it's own or alongside Nolva that seems to cause delayed gyno... although they're all only theories.

    I will be using Nolva only (alongside supplement stack) for PCT, so fingers crossed!


    use of AN AI in pct can cause estrogen rebound if using a strong AI such as letro and not tapering off properly. The whole delayed gyno from SD due to the use of nolva in pct is from a totally different pathway. Even the man who invented superdrol (DR.D) states this, so would be better to be safe than sorry and use either a different serm from nolva or use an AI such as aromasin in pct. just my 2p


    There just seems to a few conflicting theories going around about this. Apparently, of the 11 cases of reported delayed gyno, they all used either just an OTC A/I, or Nolva with an OTC A/I. Although there was one guy who said he used clomid only, and still got it.

    I have just started my first cycle of SD today, and I'm trying not to get the bitch tits paranoia!! lol

    I think the chances of actually getting this are slim though, but obviously it is always best to err on the side of caution.

    I already have my Nolva though, so I'm just gonna use that and keep my fingers crossed that I won't be trading my vest in for bra anytime soon.
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 12:20:16 (permalink)
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    From what I've seen, it's the use of an A/I on it's own or alongside Nolva that seems to cause delayed gyno... although they're all only theories.

    I will be using Nolva only (alongside supplement stack) for PCT, so fingers crossed!


    use of AN AI in pct can cause estrogen rebound if using a strong AI such as letro and not tapering off properly. The whole delayed gyno from SD due to the use of nolva in pct is from a totally different pathway. Even the man who invented superdrol (DR.D) states this, so would be better to be safe than sorry and use either a different serm from nolva or use an AI such as aromasin in pct. just my 2p


    There just seems to a few conflicting theories going around about this. Apparently, of the 11 cases of reported delayed gyno, they all used either just an OTC A/I, or Nolva with an OTC A/I. Although there was one guy who said he used clomid only, and still got it.

    I have just started my first cycle of SD today, and I'm trying not to get the bitch tits paranoia!! lol

    I think the chances of actually getting this are slim though, but obviously it is always best to err on the side of caution.

    I already have my Nolva though, so I'm just gonna use that and keep my fingers crossed that I won't be trading my vest in for bra anytime soon.


    The facts are though which you must remember is that SD does show progestin properties, and nolva DOES upregulate the progestrone receptor...............i'll leave the rest up to you. And assure you there are much more than 11 cases of delayed gyno from SD. Better to be safe than sorry and go with clomid
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 12:49:12 (permalink)
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    I know what you're saying mate, but having already bough an OTC A/I which I am no longer going to use, and then already having bought the Nolva, I don't want to have to go and buy yet another product and waste the others.
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 12:53:31 (permalink)
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    Well I'm just finishing my PCT of Nolva. I also had Clomid on hand but decided against it.
    I spent so many hours researching about delayed gyno and now I'm Looking forward to monitoring my nips closely!
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 13:37:36 (permalink)
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    Hi Rob,
     
    Yea I know what you mean, I spent ages searching on the internet about it too.
    Many ppl seem to have recovered fine from using just Nolva, so I'm not too worried...
     
    What results have you had from your cycle mate?
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 14:06:04 (permalink)
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    Up about a stone on cycle, Looks like I've kept about 4/5 lbs LBM. I did 3 Weeks epi afterwards, with the hope it would reduce the likelyhood of delayed gyno. TBH, 4/5Lbs is enough to make me look noticeably different - Broader back,  and Bi's up about half inch. Worth the risk of delayed gyno tbh.
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 14:19:45 (permalink)
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    Nice one.. what was your diet like?
    I'll be logging my progress throughout the cycle over on the progress log forum.. only just started today though.
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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 15:22:37 (permalink)
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    Ram - thanks mate :)

    Arnold - thanks for the input mate

    Im in the same boat ive already got nolva in and intend to run it for pct. Im pretty sure ive read people getting gyno on clomid and nolva, some even recommend to run both too.

    Im going to make my log now and will post a link here for those who wish to follow.

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    Re:SD - gyno and delayed gyno 2009/07/27 16:10:39 (permalink)
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    Heres a link to my log i started today follow if you wish - http://www.muscletalk.c...8449&mpage=1#3518487
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