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S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound

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2011/03/13 10:59:14 (permalink)

S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound

I'm starting my sdrol cycle tomorrow after taking the last few weeks to hone my diet and training program.

Will take sdrol at 10mg for days 1 - 5, 20mg for days 5 - 21 (may up to 30mg in last 5 days depending on gains, sides, how I feel).

My question is re. PCT - I have nolva (tamoxifen) and will continue with multivit, CEL Cycle Assist and add in ZMA, but I want to add a test booster and am also concerned about ptoential estrogen rebound - is there an all in one or what would those who've run sdrol clones before recommend for test boost and offsetting estrogen after coming off nolva?
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    Re:S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound 2011/03/13 11:05:31 (permalink)
    I read that Patrick Arnold stated that anabolics increase aromatise enzymes, which is why after running his SERM, an AI is a good idea. He didnt say which, but for convenience, I'll be running 6bromo (as found in 2nd gear, a spare bottle i have).

    I'm also running a seperate testbooster. I started 1 week early with Testforce2, and then when this runs out, ~half way through my tamoxifen, I will run NTBM Phytoserm.

    I'm a 'cover all your bases in pct' kinda guy.
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    Re:S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound 2011/03/13 17:59:08 (permalink)
    Thanks for the feedback - I've looked into 6-Bromo though and found reports that it converts in 6bromotestosterone, and if this conversion happens enough your body will stop producing natural testerone causing the shutdown and will have to restart PCT all over.

    What I'm looking for is either a test booster and an estrogen blocker, or an all-in-one if one exists.

    Anyone else got any ideas?
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    Re:S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound 2011/03/13 18:08:53 (permalink)
    I would run tamoxifen for 20,20,10,10
    start test booster on day 1 too
    and then start an AI like 6bromo from week 3 (i think you taper down, but hopefully someone can chime in on that)

    and IMO, this should lessen the risk of the mysterious oestrogen rebound
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    Re:S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound 2011/03/13 18:46:07 (permalink)
    m118

    I would run tamoxifen for 20,20,10,10
    start test booster on day 1 too
    and then start an AI like 6bromo from week 3 (i think you taper down, but hopefully someone can chime in on that)

    and IMO, this should lessen the risk of the mysterious oestrogen rebound


    Sounds reasonable. There are non-steroidal AIs Porkpie, and probably steroidal AIs without androgenic metabolites.
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    Re:S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound 2011/03/13 19:50:20 (permalink)
    I don't really want to go the AI route so what are the recommended options?
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    Re:S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound 2011/03/13 20:13:49 (permalink)
    Porkpie I don't really want to go the AI route so what are the recommended options?


    To reduce aromatase without using an aromatase inhibitor? No idea. Like I said though, AIs don't have to be steroidal. Resveratrol and vitamin D3 are AIs, for example.
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    Re:S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound 2011/03/13 22:48:24 (permalink)
    Indole-3-carbinol is another option. (not sure how it fares against a prescription AI or chem AI like formestane etc).
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    Re:S-Drol pct - advice re. estrogen rebound 2011/03/13 23:36:56 (permalink)
    Porkpie I don't really want to go the AI route so what are the recommended options?


    henryv To reduce aromatase without using an aromatase inhibitor? No idea.


    Thinking outside the box for a moment, fulvestrant is an estrogen receptor antagonist and a SERD - a Selective Estrogen Receptor Down-Regulator. Theoretically this would reduce the number of estrogen receptors available for the potentially increased levels of estrogen to bind to.

    I mention this only for conversation's sake, as I was trying to think of a way to reduce aromatisation without inhibiting aromatase, and although this doesn't do that, it's the closest I could get (reducing the effect of the resulting increased aromatase). It's not a recommendation to go out and use it.
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