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Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils

Around a year ago I started using a cast iron pan. This pan is a Lodge cast iron. It works well. However eggs were still a bit of a problem so I still had to use a non stick. Something I didn't realise is its the toxic fumes that will release when these pans are overheated. I thought the bad stuff was just released into the food. So I needed I quality safe non stick pan. I found Green pan. Its ceramic non-stick. No PFOA, pfas, lead or cadmium. Scan pan was an option however it wasn't worth the price for a non stick imo. Ordered this.
 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07G4M9T9P/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
I also discovered using cast iron everyday might not be the best thing to do as some iron will be released into the food and many of us have plenty of iron in our diets. I eat beef liver every week and red meats. So I thought I needed something else. 
So I just ordered this. Le Creuset 3-ply Stainless Steel pan. A brand called all clad is the highest standard, but I feel Le Creuset was almost as good.
 
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B003FNOMM6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o00__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
 
I'd like to know what pans and oils you use?
 
Can anyone recommend a healthy high smoke oil to sear a steak?
 
Is olive oil better than extra virgin olive oil for cooking?
 
How important is the smoke point? 
 
Has anyone used any Le Creuset 3-ply Stainless or green pan stuff?
 
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/12 18:58:04 (permalink)
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    I like mac oil for cooking these days, its hard to get hold of in the UK so my orders from piping rock always come with an import charge , I always used to use olive oil but its really not great for cooking after speaking to a few chefs, its an oil you add after cooking for taste not an actual cooking oil.
     
    be interested if there are any more good cooking oils as mac oil has been fairly expensive.  Theres always lard i suppose.
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/12 19:41:09 (permalink)
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    I cook pretty much all my meat over live fire with charcoal. The taste for me is the best.

    If I cook steak in a pan, I’ll use beef dripping, and I’ll cook eggs in butter if frying. My preferred method is poached mind.

    I use oils for dressings.

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/12 23:10:04 (permalink)
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    I like mac oil for cooking these days, its hard to get hold of in the UK so my orders from piping rock always come with an import charge , I always used to use olive oil but its really not great for cooking after speaking to a few chefs, its an oil you add after cooking for taste not an actual cooking oil.
     
    be interested if there are any more good cooking oils as mac oil has been fairly expensive.  Theres always lard i suppose.




    Thanks mate. It does look a bit pricey.
     
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/...250-Pack/dp/B006FHE7JW
     
    I want something neutral in taste as well. leaning towards grapeseed oil for cooking. Refined olive oil or light olive oil looks to be a least 200c smoke point. From what I can see using  Refined olive oil over extra virgin is the thing to do. Lard is only 182c for the smoke point, so thats quite low. I didn't realise butter was low smoke point as well. Its the toxic smoke which is problem. Fcuk knows I probably just stick with refined olive oil. A few bits here from google.
     
     
    https://www.bonappetit.co...cooking-oil?verso=true
     
     
    Which is healthiest cooking oil?
     

    Oils With Health Benefits
    Olive oil. “Olive oil is my favorite,” says Sara Haas, RD, LDN, a chef in Chicago and spokeswoman for the American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics.
    ...Canola oil.
     
     
    Canola oil is low in saturated fat,Haas says. .
     
    ..Flaxseed oil. .
     
    ..Avocado oil. ..
     
    .Walnut oil. ...
     
    Sesame oil. ..
     
    .Grapeseed oil. ..
     
    .Coconut oil.
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/12 23:17:10 (permalink)
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    I cook pretty much all my meat over live fire with charcoal. The taste for me is the best.

    If I cook steak in a pan, I’ll use beef dripping, and I’ll cook eggs in butter if frying. My preferred method is poached mind.

    I use oils for dressings.



    What oil would you use if cooking duck legs or chicken legs in the oven at 190c for 30 - 45 mins though.
     
    What pan do you use for the eggs and what pan for the steak when you do fry a steak. Thanks.

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/12 23:39:12 (permalink)
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    https://gb.pipingrock.com/nutritional-oils/macadamia-nut-oil-16-fl-oz-473-ml-bottles-6573?prd=129738a3&gclid=Cj0KCQiA-onjBRDSARIsAEZXcKbPjH1Op1fYKpdIt2ur1yitxsIdynKN72ugncs79-5grpVPkqpHgMYaAk6uEALw_wcB
     
    thats what I got it was bogof when i got mine, didnt look a bad deal until i paid the £15 import charges , but its great for cooking , i goto  an indian wholesaler for a lot of my foods these days , all seems to be rape/star/olive/grape/soy/coco but not sure which are the best ones. 
     
    I do find the fry light ones to be pretty useless , spray them in the pan and they vanish in a puff of smoke . 
     
    my main source of fats these days comes from peanut butter and olive oil spreads , so the oils i want to use are for cooking getting good quality tasting foods, I do use olive oils in my slow cooker for stews and casseroles but not sure if it vanishes or not.
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/12 23:57:38 (permalink)
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    I will have look into it more. Is it neutral in taste? Some people don't like grapeseed oil either. It seem a high quality refined olive oil has a higher smoke point than cheaper versions. What pans do you use?

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 00:26:59 (permalink)
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    I will have look into it more. Is it neutral in taste? Some people don't like grapeseed oil either. It seem a high quality refined olive oil has a higher smoke point than cheaper versions. What pans do you use?


    I use the scoville neverstick pans and I think my slow cooker is teflon , I dont use my grill much anymore as its too dry to eat . With Mac oil there is virtually no taste for me , you can kind of get a taste if you have a teaspoon but with food its not noticeable.
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 09:15:12 (permalink)
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    I cook pretty much all my meat over live fire with charcoal. The taste for me is the best.

    If I cook steak in a pan, I’ll use beef dripping, and I’ll cook eggs in butter if frying. My preferred method is poached mind.

    I use oils for dressings.



    What oil would you use if cooking duck legs or chicken legs in the oven at 190c for 30 - 45 mins though.
     
    What pan do you use for the eggs and what pan for the steak when you do fry a steak. Thanks.




     
    I have a small to medium size non stick tefal pan I fry or scramble my eggs in, although I tend to fry my eggs at a moderate heat, and scramble at high heat on off intervals. 
     
    I purchased 2 of them in a sale at my local asda... While they're not the best option out there, I look after them and as soon as I notice any damage or reduction of coating, I just bin it. (Throw away society guilty)
     
    I have an old cast iron pan handed down to me for indoor cooking of steaks, but I do also have a large cast iron griddle that I use for my BBQ catering business which I sometimes use. 
     
    For oven cooking, I rarely use any oil. I've got some superb quality rapeseed oil that I have used in the past for a light coating to lube things up, but as I say I try and cook as much on the bbq and don't use any oil for that.

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 10:31:09 (permalink)
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    would eggs stick to a stainless steel pan ?  I do like the neverstick ones , if you use a low heat and never cut anything in there scratching the surface then they last a long time , although if i make a bolognese no matter how much i clean the pan my eggs will stick the day after , but after that they dont stick .
     
    https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B071G13NZ4/ref=asc_df_B071G13NZ458476898/?tag=googshopuk-21&creative=22146&creativeASIN=B071G13NZ4&linkCode=df0&hvadid=232019883591&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=4552880842018254271&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9046516&hvtargid=pla-453274750461
     
    thats what i got but i got the full collection , so ive got a seperate egg pan now and cook my stir frys etc in a deeper wok.
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 13:17:11 (permalink)
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    Conola/rapeseed/vegetable oil not good for you.
    I stick with
    Coconut
    Red palm oil
    Beef dripping
    Lard
    Butter
    Olive oil
    Avocado oil
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    Conola/rapeseed oil not good for you.
    I stick with
    Coconut
    Red palm oil
    Beef dripping
    Lard
    Butter
    Olive oil
    Avocado oil

    I thought palm oil was bad for you ?
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 13:31:36 (permalink)
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    Bookerman
    Conola/rapeseed oil not good for you.
    I stick with
    Coconut
    Red palm oil
    Beef dripping
    Lard
    Butter
    Olive oil
    Avocado oil

    I thought palm oil was bad for you ?



    Palm oil isn’t great, maybe mainly due to the environmental impact but red palm oil comes from the fruitrather than the tree so no need to cut down the trees.
    https://www.doctoroz.com/...-give-red-palm-oil-try

    I think as a rule of thump stick to what are oils from fruit and animal fats. Vegetable oils tirn to trans fats at lower temperatures
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 18:35:40 (permalink)
    +1 (1)
     

     
     
     

     
     
    I think its one on these for me
     
    Coconut
     
    Olive oil
     
    Macadamia Nut Oil
     
    Avocado oil
     
    I will probably just stick with olive oil but change to refined olive oil. That has a 200c smoke point so should be OK. 
     
    My lodge pan has a pre seasoning on it. Soybean oil. That's pretty nasty stuff if you watch the above video. Would any of that leak into the food. I wish I had got an unseasoned cast iron pan now and seasoned it myself. Depends how much leaks into the food is my guess, can't be that bad if it's just the seasoning on the pan baked in and you don't actually cook with it?
     
    Doc
     
    I can't see what those scoville neverstick pans are using for the non stick. Looks OK with the No PFOA, pfas. But I think green pan is better. I think cooking eggs on stainless steel could be tricky. I will try once my Le Creuset pan arrives, but the green pan I had intentions of using it for eggs and eggs only.
     

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 19:45:31 (permalink)
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    Conola/rapeseed/vegetable oil not good for you.
    I stick with
    Coconut
    Red palm oil
    Beef dripping
    Lard
    Butter
    Olive oil
    Avocado oil



    Butter and lard have smoke points at around 170 to 180c don't they. Not that high. I use butter for eggs and add some with frying steak. Ghee is a shout as well.

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 19:47:54 (permalink)
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    I just looked back at my cast iron pan thread. It was this time last year. You said you wanted an iron pan. Did you get one.

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 22:25:12 (permalink)
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    Lol I got 2 mate.

    This one first but it was a but too big for day to day.
    Pre Seasoned Cast Iron Skillet... https://www.amazon.co.uk/...f=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

    Then this smaller but more expensive one. You can tell the quality difference.
    Vanghon Cast Iron Round... https://www.amazon.co.uk/...f=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share

    Really pleased with both. The regular seasoning is an art in itself 😄 Ironically the only time I ever use rapeseed oil.
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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 22:26:44 (permalink)
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    Bookerman
    Conola/rapeseed/vegetable oil not good for you.
    I stick with
    Coconut
    Red palm oil
    Beef dripping
    Lard
    Butter
    Olive oil
    Avocado oil



    Butter and lard have smoke points at around 170 to 180c don't they. Not that high. I use butter for eggs and add some with frying steak. Ghee is a shout as well.


    TBH I never took the smoke point into account mate, just the healthier oil/fat. From experience of using you probably are right.

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 22:56:14 (permalink)
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    Does the pre seasoning concern you though mate? Does any of it get into the food. My Lodge had a pre seasoning of Soybean oil. I seasoned it again with olive oil though.
     
    Avocado oil has a high smoke point. It appears confusing and subjective for what the best cooking oil is. The Macadamia oil Doc suggested seems to get a thumbs up mainly. So does olive oil though.
     
    Is the iron pan all you use? Are you concerned with to much extra iron? 
     

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    Re: Safe top quality cookware and high smoke point oils 2019/02/13 23:10:19 (permalink)
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    Does the pre seasoning concern you though mate? Does any of it get into the food. My Lodge had a pre seasoning of Soybean oil. I seasoned it again with olive oil though.
     
    Avocado oil has a high smoke point. It appears confusing and subjective for what the best cooking oil is. The Macadamia oil Doc suggested seems to get a thumbs up mainly. So does olive oil though.
     
    Is the iron pan all you use? Are you concerned with to much extra iron? 
     


    I haven’t looked much into the iron thing. All I’ve seen is positives regard it being a great source of iron.
    Yes I use it constantly.
    Pre seasoning seems to not be a problem as far as I’m aware. The coating needs to be so thing it’s negligible, then you wipe it off then bake at high temp for an hour or so. I have watched a few things on it and haven’t seen any concerns, compared to teflon it has to be much better. I’m open to being wrong though as I haven’t looked at it much. Rapeseed apparently gives a longer lasting harder finish but I found olive oil to be just as good tbh

    https://castirondutchoven...r-seasoning-cast-iron/
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