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2014/11/21 10:27:25 (permalink)

Self diagnosed low test

I'm thinking I may need trt, the reason being I've been off gear for 3 and half years and during the time I've felt pretty **** and I've been getting a small irritation in one nipple with a lump getting worse some weeks then away the next.

I went to the doctors and the hospital and they told me not to worry, the lump was that sore on occasion that when my son climbed on me it was really sore and even my t shirt would irritate it.

It wasn't always like this it would come and go which was usual

Im on week two of test and eq 800mg of each pm I've front loaded 1200mg week one and two - plus adex .5mg eod and daily t3.25mcg to increase protein synthesis - the small lump I've had for almost three years has all but gone and my nipples look less puffy and it appears I've dropped some water from my body.

Could this well be down to low natural test? My libido has been non existent, four years ago I was meeting women left right and centre and now I've been offered it on a plate and I've turned it down several times.

After my last cycle I got my Mrs pregnant, that was 3 years 9 months ago exactly so I assumed my test was fine however I was using cialis.

It's not the easiest thing to talk about having low libido or ed, perhaps a little embarrassing. After this cycle I'll definitely get bloodwok done, it's a 20 week cycle so it'll be next July before I can safely get bloods done after a long pct.

I know this isn't really a question, more looking for others views on this situation.

Chris.
post edited by chris182 - 2014/11/21 10:28:41
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    Re: Self diagnosed low test 2014/11/21 11:01:30 (permalink)
    Not exactly sure what you`re asking here, but the only way to know if you have low natural test levels is to get your bloods done. Obliviously when not on a cycle. 
     
    Are you getting more attention from the ladies now you are on cycle?
    If so this is common occurrence and in my opinion its due to your improved body language (more Alpha stance etc.)
    Not sure if that helps you much mate but just what came to mind reading your post  

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    Re: Self diagnosed low test 2014/11/21 11:23:21 (permalink)
    It wasn't really a question just speaking out loud and seeing if others had a similar experience.

    Naturally I feel more confident 1200mg of test will do that to me, the feel of being better than everyone else does seem to attract women more.

    I'm going to try some proviron to see if that increases my libido more than what it is now, I've ordered some so I can see what all the fuss is about around proviron and sex drive.

    I'd rather not be diagnosed with low test and need trt, I've got two kids but only my three year old lives with us my daughter is hundreds of miles away with her mum so we would like one more between us.
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    Re: Self diagnosed low test 2014/11/21 12:32:06 (permalink)
    You would have to get bloods mate, it could be that your estrogen was sky high, i.e puffy chest, sore nips and that would stop your test levels returning to normal.
     
    Do you keep running the adex into PCT? I would recomend it, and also taper off the test rather than pulling it out. Try level your estrogen before starting PCT meds.
     
     
     
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    Re: Self diagnosed low test 2014/11/21 13:46:00 (permalink)
     
    Someone has already said this but you need bloods done while off cycle. This will give you a clear picture of what is wrong.
     
    I’m in a similar boat, I have had confirmed low T, which initially made me use gear. 4 or 5 weeks into my first sus cycle and all of my symptoms vanished.
     
    My symptoms included very low libido, real lack of energy and lack of focus which affects almost everything in my life. I have periodic blood tests through the NHS now and the trend in my levels is going downwards which has recently resulted in a referral to an Endo.
     
    The problem you will find even if your levels are low (like below 12) is that the NHS is underfunded and ill informed with regards to TRT. Most GP’s and even Endos are clueless and generally will be reluctant to treat any level above 7 or 8. I asked some obvious questions (which I knew the answer to) of my GP when trying to get a referral , see below but this will make many people laugh.
     
    1. Me “Are my levels likely to improve with age”…..Dr “yes its probable”
    2. Me “is there anything I can do to improve my low levels …..Dr “Yes lead a healthy lifestyle, eat well, train”…..Me “already do all of these”
    3. Me “ my test was done in the morning so what might be levels be like later in the day, inside the normal range?” …DR “They fluctuate all day and could rise”
    4. Me “Out of interest Dr, how do my levels compare to others”….DR “your levels are within normal range and I see 40/50 and 60 year olds with the same numbers” ….Me “ so what were there specific numbers on average?”…..Dr  “ I don’t know exact numbers”
     
    What a crock of ****, basically he is clueless in this field and was fobbing me off assuming I knew nothing, in the end he agreed my levels ‘might’ be a little low and that he would give me a referral considering my symptoms for a young (ish) guy.
     
    I wonder how many men are out there walking around like zombies with levels below 10, feeling like garbage and assuming they’re ‘getting old’ when they have a condition that is easily treatable.
     
    Also when you see your GP, don’t be fobbed off with the depression BS they will give you. I was told I was depressed on 2 occasions (I’m actually rather happy and content in life) and was offered an Anti depressant prescription on one occasion.
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    Re: Self diagnosed low test 2014/11/21 17:54:48 (permalink)
    About 6 years ago they tested my blood but didn't reveal the results, the Dr just said it's all normal but what they consider normal could be horrendously low.

    I was prescribed anti depressants but I wouldn't say I was depressed, the symptoms I have off cycle do sound like high estrogen so I'm guessing my test is just too low.

    I've never ran adex along with pct, after my last cycle though I was on letro as well as Nolva trying to get rid of a lump that developed. I'm not sure about the rebound from using adex but I'll be extra careful and listen to my body.

    My gp is a bit of a tool, he's foreign and doesn't listen to a word I say he just talks over me and it's the only gp in the village so it may be worth while getting a private blood test done and see what the recommendation are after that.

    I'll wait till June or July once I should be fully recovered to get bloods done, if it's bad news I'll just self medicate if I have to
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    Re: Self diagnosed low test 2014/11/21 17:54:49 (permalink)
    Double post
    post edited by chris182 - 2014/11/21 17:57:41
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    Re: 2014/11/21 19:02:28 (permalink)
    Yes they consider levels of an 80 year old man normal (in my case at least). You're within your rights to ask for a copy of the lab report from 6 years ago.


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    Re: 2014/11/21 19:30:23 (permalink)
    I'll call the reception on Monday and ask for a copy of my report, I wasn't sure it would be kept on file or not since it was me who requested it.

    They said I was depressed so asked for blood tests and apparently it was all normal so that was that I was back to being depressed
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    Re: 2014/11/21 19:52:53 (permalink)
    They should still have it on file for sure. ' Normal' is anything from 10-30 depending on the lab reference range. That said it is not normal to be bottom end of the scale, especially if you were at the top end when younger

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    Re: 2014/11/21 20:19:41 (permalink)
    I tested at 7.8 following pct this summer after being on for years that said it was only 4 weeks after pct and i was still recovering, I went back on for 8 weeks and am now doing a really hard pct with the aim of full recovery.
     
    The problem for myself and the op is we dont know what our levels were pre cycles so who is to say 7.8 is low as it may only of been 8 before. Even at 7.8 i felt fine, Libido had dropped but only to what i remember it being like before.
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    Re: 2014/11/21 21:52:09 (permalink)
    The blood test was done before I ever touched steroids so it'll be good to have a comparison before and after several cycles, I suspect the old blood work will result in the lower end of normal but hopefully I'll find out soon.

    I'll wait till I need an appointment anyway before asking for the old results so I don't seem suspicious, last thing I want is it being on record that I've used Steroids.
    post edited by chris182 - 2014/11/21 21:54:16
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