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2008/05/17 00:17:28 (permalink)
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Seperate test + deca or mixed vial?

Is there a difference in using a combined test/deca vial as opposed to using a seperate test and a seperate deca vial?

WC do a mixed vial of test cyp/deca at 250/150mg/ml. Their seperate vials are both 250mg/ml
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    RE: Seperate test + deca or mixed vial? 2008/05/17 00:45:08 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Adil

    Is there a difference in using a combined test/deca vial as opposed to using a seperate test and a seperate deca vial?

    WC do a mixed vial of test cyp/deca at 250/150mg/ml. Their seperate vials are both 250mg/ml


    no real difference, no. Except the pre-mix is limited in how you cycle it, but offers less total volume for a cycle than separate generally. This is because you can dissolve two different hormones together into one solution to be more concentrated than a single compound alone, in short.

    mcl
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    RE: Seperate test + deca or mixed vial? 2008/05/17 00:49:19 (permalink)
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    This is because you can dissolve two different hormones together into one solution to be more concentrated than a single compound alone


    Would it therefore be a more painful injection?
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    RE: Seperate test + deca or mixed vial? 2008/05/17 01:40:59 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: mad_cereal_lover


    ORIGINAL: Adil

    Is there a difference in using a combined test/deca vial as opposed to using a seperate test and a seperate deca vial?

    WC do a mixed vial of test cyp/deca at 250/150mg/ml. Their seperate vials are both 250mg/ml


    This is because you can dissolve two different hormones together into one solution to be more concentrated than a single compound alone, in short.

    mcl


    is that true MCL?


    could you explain a little more in detail why this is so?

    i know it isnt truely relevent to your question adil, but my curiousity is getting the better of me here.

    you see, if you take a solvent be it an oil or water or whatever, i was under the impression that there is a pre decided by molucular contruction of the said solvent, how much of a soluble substance that can be dissolved in the solvent before the solution becomes saturated. so, where as you may be able to get more of substance A then substance B into the solution before you reach saturation, A doesnt offer any benefit to the ability of B to dissolve, or vice versa?

    maybe the links to which each substance connect to in the dissolving process are different, so you may well saturate all of the relevent molecule connections for the one substance type for the solvent in question, but there are free yet incompatable links in the molecular chain of the solvent that are useless to substance A, but allow substance B to connect and so dissolve? is that what is going on in this case? it would give a product with a high SG in the end would it not.

    i have a very limited understanding of chemistry MCL so go easy on me, but i think that is written with all the correct terminology ...i tried anyway

    x-fire gaming nickname - tigernut. and tell me ya from MT cos i'll deleted ya if ya dont! :)
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    RE: Seperate test + deca or mixed vial? 2008/05/17 01:42:42 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Adil

    This is because you can dissolve two different hormones together into one solution to be more concentrated than a single compound alone


    Would it therefore be a more painful injection?

    possibly. would that not depend onwhat you had connected to what though rather than the totoal amounts of all the substances? might be wrong on that tho

    x-fire gaming nickname - tigernut. and tell me ya from MT cos i'll deleted ya if ya dont! :)
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    RE: Seperate test + deca or mixed vial? 2008/05/17 02:24:08 (permalink)
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    Doubt it would be more painful i could be wrong tho!
    ORIGINAL: tigernut


    ORIGINAL: Adil

    This is because you can dissolve two different hormones together into one solution to be more concentrated than a single compound alone


    Would it therefore be a more painful injection?

    possibly. would that not depend onwhat you had connected to what though rather than the totoal amounts of all the substances? might be wrong on that tho

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    RE: Seperate test + deca or mixed vial? 2008/05/17 08:53:52 (permalink)
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    Hi mate,

    Well basically the solubility of a substance has a point of saturation or how soluble it is lol. This is due to the interactions between its own molecules - when you go above that point of solubility the compound will start to precipitate out of solution, ie. it would crystalise.

    NOw this solubility point is not affected in the same way by a DIFFERENT compound as it is with the SAME compound.

    Take for example, you can get substance A to dissolve up to maximum of 300mg/ml on its own. Substance B will dissolve at a maximum of 200mg/ml. Now if you tried to dissolve some of B with a solution of 300mg/ml A, you would dissolve some but not much, whereas if you tried to dissolve more A it would precipitate out as its reached saturation. However the more you lower A, the more B you can dissolve in. So you might get 250mg/ml A + 150mg/ml B, at a push. This gives a total mix of 400mg/ml, which is more than either of them can acheive alone. This is basically due to different molecular interactions between 2 different compounds as opposed to the same compounds.

    Hope that makes sense.

    mcl


    ORIGINAL: tigernut


    ORIGINAL: mad_cereal_lover


    ORIGINAL: Adil

    Is there a difference in using a combined test/deca vial as opposed to using a seperate test and a seperate deca vial?

    WC do a mixed vial of test cyp/deca at 250/150mg/ml. Their seperate vials are both 250mg/ml


    This is because you can dissolve two different hormones together into one solution to be more concentrated than a single compound alone, in short.

    mcl


    is that true MCL?


    could you explain a little more in detail why this is so?

    i know it isnt truely relevent to your question adil, but my curiousity is getting the better of me here.

    you see, if you take a solvent be it an oil or water or whatever, i was under the impression that there is a pre decided by molucular contruction of the said solvent, how much of a soluble substance that can be dissolved in the solvent before the solution becomes saturated. so, where as you may be able to get more of substance A then substance B into the solution before you reach saturation, A doesnt offer any benefit to the ability of B to dissolve, or vice versa?

    maybe the links to which each substance connect to in the dissolving process are different, so you may well saturate all of the relevent molecule connections for the one substance type for the solvent in question, but there are free yet incompatable links in the molecular chain of the solvent that are useless to substance A, but allow substance B to connect and so dissolve? is that what is going on in this case? it would give a product with a high SG in the end would it not.

    i have a very limited understanding of chemistry MCL so go easy on me, but i think that is written with all the correct terminology ...i tried anyway

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    RE: Seperate test + deca or mixed vial? 2008/05/17 12:07:40 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: mad_cereal_lover

    Hi mate,

    Well basically the solubility of a substance has a point of saturation or how soluble it is lol. This is due to the interactions between its own molecules - when you go above that point of solubility the compound will start to precipitate out of solution, ie. it would crystalise.

    NOw this solubility point is not affected in the same way by a DIFFERENT compound as it is with the SAME compound.

    Take for example, you can get substance A to dissolve up to maximum of 300mg/ml on its own. Substance B will dissolve at a maximum of 200mg/ml. Now if you tried to dissolve some of B with a solution of 300mg/ml A, you would dissolve some but not much, whereas if you tried to dissolve more A it would precipitate out as its reached saturation. However the more you lower A, the more B you can dissolve in. So you might get 250mg/ml A + 150mg/ml B, at a push. This gives a total mix of 400mg/ml, which is more than either of them can acheive alone. This is basically due to different molecular interactions between 2 different compounds as opposed to the same compounds.

    Hope that makes sense.

    mcl


    ORIGINAL: tigernut


    ORIGINAL: mad_cereal_lover


    ORIGINAL: Adil

    Is there a difference in using a combined test/deca vial as opposed to using a seperate test and a seperate deca vial?

    WC do a mixed vial of test cyp/deca at 250/150mg/ml. Their seperate vials are both 250mg/ml


    This is because you can dissolve two different hormones together into one solution to be more concentrated than a single compound alone, in short.

    mcl


    is that true MCL?


    could you explain a little more in detail why this is so?

    i know it isnt truely relevent to your question adil, but my curiousity is getting the better of me here.

    you see, if you take a solvent be it an oil or water or whatever, i was under the impression that there is a pre decided by molucular contruction of the said solvent, how much of a soluble substance that can be dissolved in the solvent before the solution becomes saturated. so, where as you may be able to get more of substance A then substance B into the solution before you reach saturation, A doesnt offer any benefit to the ability of B to dissolve, or vice versa?

    maybe the links to which each substance connect to in the dissolving process are different, so you may well saturate all of the relevent molecule connections for the one substance type for the solvent in question, but there are free yet incompatable links in the molecular chain of the solvent that are useless to substance A, but allow substance B to connect and so dissolve? is that what is going on in this case? it would give a product with a high SG in the end would it not.

    i have a very limited understanding of chemistry MCL so go easy on me, but i think that is written with all the correct terminology ...i tried anyway



    yea mate i folla that. so, unlike in my example, A and B will have a realationship with eachother in the solvent, they will not lie independent of eachother. i suppose they must do aswell, because if they didnt you would have some serious cocktail oils out there in the AAS world capable of knocking your face off! (and your organs no doubt)

    i find it interesting how they do have this rather more complex than my example realationship with other though i must say, though i'm sure that is the nerd in me coming out there so i will drop that chat before i turn it into something right nerdy, and prolly way over my head in the process heh

    cheers for the reply MCL

    x-fire gaming nickname - tigernut. and tell me ya from MT cos i'll deleted ya if ya dont! :)
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