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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/13 16:36:44 (permalink)
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Didn't one of our guys 'kill himself' by padlocking himself inside a sports bag (from the outside) in his own bathtub? 
 


"LONDON -- A British spy, whose naked, decomposing body was found padlocked in a bag in his bathtub, probably died accidentally on his own, police said on Wednesday, rejecting conspiracy theories that his bizarre death was the work of foreign agents"
 
"Most probably, it was an accident," Hewitt told reporters. "I'm convinced that Gareth's death was in no way linked to his work."
 
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/13 17:32:07 (permalink)
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This whole thing smells very fishy at the moment, not sure who to believe because this does seem like something that Putin might do and then just play the propaganda tape that they didn't do it and it's just some western conspiracy. On the other hand the russians do make the valid argument that they had little reason to go after this guy now other than petty revenge, and there's no such thing as a chemical that could only have been made in Russia, if you know the molecular formula any top lab today can make more or less anything.
 
I wonder how the crime labs came to the conclusion that it must have been made in Russia, and why they won't agree to share their findings with russian scientists. If there's a valid testing method that led them to that conclusion you'd think they'd want to put it out there for everyone to see as clear undeniable evidence.
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/13 17:37:20 (permalink)
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Russia not assed, Putin probably organised his bears to kick off at the footy, they like being best at everything, chess, athletics, weightlifting, murdering agents.
 
Got to admire their winning spirit. lol
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/13 18:20:53 (permalink)
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I am not  saying I DO think our Secret Services did this to dispose of him and frame Russia... but it does amuse me that so many people are just adamant that we simply wouldn't be capable of doing such a thing. 

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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/13 19:21:50 (permalink)
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I am not  saying I DO think our Secret Services did this to dispose of him and frame Russia... but it does amuse me that so many people are just adamant that we simply wouldn't be capable of doing such a thing. 


I feel like our secret services would have access to all cctv etc so they could easily just make him disappear rather than **** about doing this and having the hassle of arguing with Russia

  




 
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 07:54:02 (permalink)
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I feel like our secret services would have access to all cctv etc so they could easily just make him disappear rather than **** about doing this and having the hassle of arguing with Russia



Yes this is true, but I also think this is true of the Russians, are we to believe they are simply not capable of getting the bloke alone and strangling him, or putting a silenced bullet in his head?   This is why I feel the only possibilities are, either that this was done as a statement,  or, someone did it to make it look like Russia did it. 
 
Not seen the news this morning, but I also think its a bit weird to demand Russia explain and help with the investigation, while at the same time refusing to give them a sample of the substance they are asking about? 

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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 08:07:56 (permalink)
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I feel like our secret services would have access to all cctv etc so they could easily just make him disappear rather than **** about doing this and having the hassle of arguing with Russia



Yes this is true, but I also think this is true of the Russians, are we to believe they are simply not capable of getting the bloke alone and strangling him, or putting a silenced bullet in his head?   This is why I feel the only possibilities are, either that this was done as a statement,  or, someone did it to make it look like Russia did it. 
 
Not seen the news this morning, but I also think its a bit weird to demand Russia explain and help with the investigation, while at the same time refusing to give them a sample of the substance they are asking about? 


I think if Russia was to do it as a statement they probably would have said so and not give him a state pardon, the media seem intent on demonising Russia  whether they are  good or not , we will never get the facts , just a narrative , its a petty our media just dont ask the right questions , im pretty sure if they wanted him dead and blameless they would have just made him go missing. Russian poison , done by the Russians and not releasing any samples just doesn't stack up .
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 08:36:51 (permalink)
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Forum is still playing up so I can't quote for some reason.
 
I just don't think that our current government is as corrupt as everyone seems to make out, past governments maybe. I was too young at the time to have an opinion on Iraq, so thats another irrelevant topic, just like Dr David Kelly was. Although both of the topics you mentioned happened under a completely different government to what we are currently under.
 
During the brexit vote, all the remainers I knew kept on saying, 'well if we don't win then it just proves how corrupt our government is'. And then what happened, they won, therefore not corrupt. Compare ourselves to Russia, North Korea, Trump, and we aren't doing too bad really.
 
For some reason as soon as you believe the media or the government you are branded as a 'sheep' who will believe anything. I don't believe everything I see, I look at what facts or opinions I am given, whether that is from the media, my own research, or discussions like this and then make my own decision.
 
I believe Russia did it, that is my opinion.

 
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 16:13:10 (permalink)
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But if they really do think Russia did it, why bother giving them a sample? Russia will just lie about their results anyway. Apparently there was a mountain of evidence for the Litvenenko murder and Russia just wouldn't accept any of it

  




 
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 17:55:38 (permalink)
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But if they really do think Russia did it, why bother giving them a sample? Russia will just lie about their results anyway. Apparently there was a mountain of evidence for the Litvenenko murder and Russia just wouldn't accept any of it


They are very different circumstances , one was pardoned and one was a defector, why bother giving them a sample ?? Its called evidence , you cant really make accusations without showing the evidence , thats called just making sh1t up, its the entire reason we have courts and we dont burn witches anymore.
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 17:59:48 (permalink)
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But if they really do think Russia did it, why bother giving them a sample? Russia will just lie about their results anyway. Apparently there was a mountain of evidence for the Litvenenko murder and Russia just wouldn't accept any of it


They are very different circumstances , one was pardoned and one was a defector, why bother giving them a sample ?? Its called evidence , you cant really make accusations without showing the evidence , thats called just making sh1t up, its the entire reason we have courts and we dont burn witches anymore.




yeah but the evidence is judged/verified by neutrals/jurys etc , not by the accused themselves. It's pointless giving it to the accused...They're hardly gonna say " oh yeah, turns out you're right, this is ours "

  




 
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 18:18:11 (permalink)
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But if they really do think Russia did it, why bother giving them a sample? Russia will just lie about their results anyway. Apparently there was a mountain of evidence for the Litvenenko murder and Russia just wouldn't accept any of it


They are very different circumstances , one was pardoned and one was a defector, why bother giving them a sample ?? Its called evidence , you cant really make accusations without showing the evidence , thats called just making sh1t up, its the entire reason we have courts and we dont burn witches anymore.




yeah but the evidence is judged/verified by neutrals/jurys etc , not by the accused themselves. It's pointless giving it to the accused...They're hardly gonna say " oh yeah, turns out you're right, this is ours "


thats not how law works , full disclosure is needed for a fair trial , otherwise how can they possibly defend themselves , im sure if you where the one being accused whether you where guilty or not would want to make sure that the evidence was presented to a jury and they hadn't just made there minds up already . Cant believe Chilcot/Iraq/WMD's are so quickly forgotten .
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 18:26:17 (permalink)
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But if they really do think Russia did it, why bother giving them a sample? Russia will just lie about their results anyway. Apparently there was a mountain of evidence for the Litvenenko murder and Russia just wouldn't accept any of it


They are very different circumstances , one was pardoned and one was a defector, why bother giving them a sample ?? Its called evidence , you cant really make accusations without showing the evidence , thats called just making sh1t up, its the entire reason we have courts and we dont burn witches anymore.




yeah but the evidence is judged/verified by neutrals/jurys etc , not by the accused themselves. It's pointless giving it to the accused...They're hardly gonna say " oh yeah, turns out you're right, this is ours "


thats not how law works , full disclosure is needed for a fair trial , otherwise how can they possibly defend themselves , im sure if you where the one being accused whether you where guilty or not would want to make sure that the evidence was presented to a jury and they hadn't just made there minds up already . Cant believe Chilcot/Iraq/WMD's are so quickly forgotten .




Yeah, id love to be given the forensic evidence against me to make my own assessment, but my assessment wouldn't be worth **** to the jury. The sample would have to go to independent experts to be worth anything.   

  




 
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 19:15:49 (permalink)
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Absolutely no way it could have been our own government, they just wouldn't do it. Our government is just good mmkay? You've heard it with your own ears it was a poison that could have only been made in a Russian lab, and absolutely nowhere else on Earth. The Russians are SO evil they are now magic.
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/14 22:18:47 (permalink)
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Have to agree with Ken on this , do they want ww3?
 

 
this is quite a scary kangaroo court to be honest , majority of the UNSC members have already made up there minds without any evidence , only a few reasonable responses here , this story getting more smelly by the day.
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/15 07:40:01 (permalink)
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Russia and a few others are the only ones that can produce that nerve agent ?  .....  absolute bollox
 
Sounds to me like the UK got a tip off and needed a clear out, probably come by way of the US.
 
US on overdrive clearout, since the election.
 
Like a good speculate.
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/15 14:59:20 (permalink)
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The general public are easy to fool.
 
The West will know exactly what toxins Russia have and how to manufacture them, given the fact that Russia has openly accepted help from the West to destroy much of its stockpiles and facilities.
 
The whole thing is simply to make Russia 'spooky' again and get the public onboard for arms spending. There is still much opposition to the replacement of the Trident system and the fact that the cold war is over is the main backbone of the argument from many circles.
 
https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/russia-inducted-80-new-icbms-in-last-5-years/
 
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/russias-new-rs-28-sarmat-icbm-us-missile-defense-killer-19464
 
The UK and US have probably not made or tested a new ICBM for 25 years and with its politically correct population, never will again.
 
 
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/15 15:06:46 (permalink)
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Are we saying the UK, US, France, Germany are all corrupt and ‘in on it’ to make Russia look bad! A conspiracy of world wide proportions
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/15 15:28:26 (permalink)
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NATO wanting to make Russia look bad so as to boost arms funding?
 
 
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Re: Sergei Skripal , Russian spy poisoning 2018/03/15 15:36:32 (permalink)
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NATO wanting to make Russia look bad so as to boost arms funding?

 
Do you think the Litvinenko poisoning was an inside job too? 
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