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2005/07/21 13:51:12 (permalink)

Short cycles...

Hi guys

Being greedy, I’m starting to think of my next cycle already, only just finished my first but have lots of enth left over as I cut the cycle short due to gains ceasing…

I know a lot of guys say you should use Deca for 8 weeks to get the full benefits and many say the same for enanthate. However, for the likes of me, and you out there who prefer shorter cycles as gains cease fairly early on, do you think you need to run deca for 8 weeks or could I run a 6 weeker and still yield good results from the deca??

If not would I be ok to run a short ester such as NPP with the longer acting Enanthate, or would that pair up better with Prop??

Also, if I wish to run a kickstart, would Tbol give leaner gains than the likes of Dbol?? Always happy to try something new but don’t know too much about Tbol so thoughts on this are welcome.

I ran Dbol for my first cycle kickstart and although it bloated me out quite nicely I didn’t feel that the strength gains were anything to write home about…

Or has anyone got any suggestions for a different oral which would give good gains in both strength and weight? Does anyone think that a frontload is better than a kickstart? How long would a frontload take to kick in for both short and long ester??

Sorry for the all questions but look forward to some help as ever,

Kind regards
TR.
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    RE: Short cycles... 2005/07/21 19:14:50 (permalink)
    hi bro,

    i agree a short cycle is more suited to you really.

    personally i would suggest prop and npp, kickstart i wouldn't bother really with those fast acting meds.

    if you did enan + npp then yeah fair enough kickstart....would still say dbol though that cycle should kick in week 2 ish then coming together in 3rd week

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    RE: Short cycles... 2005/07/22 10:00:04 (permalink)
    Hey man,

    So prop and npp...150mg & 100mg EOD would be sufficient as a second cycle?

    Did you have any thoughts on using deca and enan for 6 weeks? Only asking as I've got some enan to use up!! Could I kickstart the enan rather than prop and run NPP rather than the deca??

    So the options being:

    Wk1 - 1000mg enan/800mg deca
    Wk's 2-6 500mg enan/400mg deca

    OR

    Wk 1 - 1000mg enan/100mg npp eod
    Wk 2-6 500mg enan/100mg npp eod

    Obviously the eod only referring to the npp!! As said only trying to avoid the prop to keep costs down really! Which one do you think would work the best??

    Cheers!
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    RE: Short cycles... 2005/07/22 10:02:46 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: tigerricky69

    So prop and npp...150mg & 100mg EOD would be sufficient as a second cycle?



    blo*dy hope so cos it's my next cycle and it's not going to be my second cycle either!! lol

    ninja

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    RE: Short cycles... 2005/07/22 10:05:42 (permalink)
    LOL!!

    Any thoughts on running deca and enan over 6 weeks?

    Cheers
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    RE: Short cycles... 2005/07/22 10:10:40 (permalink)
    thoughts - too short a cycle with those meds

    you'd have to stop the deca at week 4 and that's not long enough a deca run

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    RE: Short cycles... 2005/07/22 10:15:02 (permalink)
    Forgot about stopping the deca 2 weeks before the test - bugger!!

    Might look at running a longer cycle then....can anyone say from experience how long gains keep coming for with deca??

    I'm guessing enan and npp wouldn't be too bright as the npp would be in there shutting you down way before the enan kicks in? Would this all but guarantee deca d!ck?? That would not be cool!! lol

    Cheers!
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    RE: Short cycles... 2005/07/22 17:09:14 (permalink)
    everyones different for gains mate as you proved with your last cycle

    i'd just run the standard test/deca/dbol @ 500/400/30 for 10-12 weeks stopping the deca 2 before the test
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    RE: Short cycles... 2005/07/22 17:56:44 (permalink)
    I have been investigating this in particular test e.

    Test E is a long lasting AS so typically it can take a period of upto 4 weeks for optimum levels.

    So theorectically week 4 is week 1 of the optimum levels, week 5 is week 2 week 6 would be week 3. So if you stopped taking it on week 6 you would still have at least 2 weeks of diminishing levels - so why cant you do a short cycle of test e, it just takes longer to obtain optimum levels than shorter acting AS however it diminishes at a slower rate end of cycle for upto 2-3 weeks giving your body a more gradient approach to kicking back in its own test.

    I am in week 3 of 6 (500mg of test). I have just started getting the sides of oily skin, horny as hell, feeling good and lifting good so I would say I am at optimum levels, 3 more weeks of injections then 2 -3 weeks of reducing levels = 6 weeks of AS induced growth if I eat and train well.

    I will let you all know how I do......
    post edited by wellard - 2005/07/23 19:30:25
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