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2007/06/11 16:41:24 (permalink)

Should Sony payout for Fall of Man?

.....bit of a sticky situation, one side they possibly didnt ask to use permission to use the church building, the other hand is its seems alittle OTT that the game will cause a rise in gun crime in Mnachester.

What do yas think?

Persoanlly I think it a load of balls, as the game developers would have been there a few times taking 100s of pics in the interior, and you telling me no-one asked?.plus apparently you only in that setting for about 3 mins, as well as not shooting at people, you shooting at aliens.
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    skinny_al
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 16:44:59 (permalink)
    pay who?
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 16:45:18 (permalink)
    I'm of the same opinion as you, bit of a publicity stunt.

    However, it it was in a mosque or a synagogue, people would be up in arms, so they are entitled to their views and should be respected equally.
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 16:48:24 (permalink)
    umm I dont know who they want to pay too, either the Curch of England or some kind of Anti-Gun-Crime people that work in Manchester.

    Ill see if I can get a BBC link about it.Here ya go
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/6736809.stm
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    pay who?

    post edited by cu3ed - 2007/06/11 16:49:19
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 16:51:46 (permalink)
    However, it it was in a mosque or a synagogue, people would be up in arms, so they are entitled to their views and should be respected equally


    It would receive as much publicity as this imo. A religon is a religon, generally what offends one will offend the other equally. Unless its a difference in base rules.
    No i dont believe Sony should pay out. I mean if it were re enforcing some kind of stereotype then perhaps they would have been out of line. But shooting at aliens? Come on, you cannot be serious?

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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 16:54:20 (permalink)
    Well its not like the building is set in this day and age, its set in a fictional 1950, where its kinda like a war torn time, you kill about 20 aliens then walk through it, playes have said the most your in there for is about 5 mins, not many relly realised where it was set lol.
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 17:14:01 (permalink)
    If permission was required to use the images and it wasn't obtained then they should pay up.
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 17:30:27 (permalink)
    I think the Church is acting a bit OTT IMO

    There's more chance of me fathering a child with Beyonce than there is of Sony paying out
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 17:42:38 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Lardgainer

    If permission was required to use the images and it wasn't obtained then they should pay up.



    Agreed, also if Sony were granted the `necessary` permission why haven`t they just said who that person/people were ?
    Sounds to me like they got caught out and are trying it on.

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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 17:47:15 (permalink)
    Reckon they should do a follow up at salford rangers called 'resistance fall of manc', where you get to run around the ground and shoot ronaldo et al.

    Just kidding!!!
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 17:50:53 (permalink)
    Ha, like to see the flip side of that, could imagine what kind of idoits you have to deal with so dears knows who they where talking too.

    I dont thhink they need to ask the church, its the public copyrights I think, otherwise everything and any shape and building would have the same case.

    Could you amgine whats gonna happin in the new GTA that heavily featured on New York city?
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    ORIGINAL: Lardgainer

    If permission was required to use the images and it wasn't obtained then they should pay up.



    Agreed, also if Sony were granted the `necessary` permission why haven`t they just said who that person/people were ?
    Sounds to me like they got caught out and are trying it on.

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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 18:11:32 (permalink)
    From what I'd read on www.theregister.co.uk Sony had received permission frmo the cathedral prior to putting it together, and they had actually recreated the whole schebang digitally, rather than photgraphing it, etc.

    So they:

    1. Had permission
    2. Created novel imagery themselves (itself doubtless copyrightable)
    3. Did all this several hundred years after anyone with a claim to artistic rights had died.

    Don't see the problem, other than the church sticking its nose in where it's not needed...
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 22:15:47 (permalink)
    Tony, with respect mate I think the most important issue at present is to find out whom Sony claim gave them the `necessary permission`, the Cleaner, the Gardener, the Big Issue seller on the corner ?
    The very fact they claim to have had this permission must surely show they knew it was something that was necessary ? certainly imho anyway.
    I`ve attached a link to the evening news for your perusal mate, it seems nobody of any note can substantiate Sonys claim .http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1008/1008758_church_blasts_sony_game.html

    Having read a bit more into the whole thing I think maybe it is a bit of a fuss over nothing much.

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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 22:50:28 (permalink)
    yes absolutly sony should pay the church of england and pay for anti gun crime projects,they have abused a holy place and should definatly pay.
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 22:54:53 (permalink)
    Yes and no. Gun crime is a problem, but then its just a game.

    Personally, I would be dissappointed if they were made to pay because I think it will curb developers enthusiasm to push boundaries and be creative for fear of persecution. The world is already PC mad, lets worry about more pressing issues. Such as gun crime.

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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 22:58:49 (permalink)
    What a load of bollocks, of course they shouldn't pay out.

    Just another 'Look at me, look at me' stand!


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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 22:59:15 (permalink)

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    , lets worry about more pressing issues. Such as gun crime.
    there is a direct corolation between people watching this crap sony put out and gun crime,so we are dealing with the same issue as you are worried about mate.however i do think certain places need to be left alone especially places of worship,some of our brave soldiers who have died in wars in iraq etc have been blessed and departed from this cathedral and deserve more respect.
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 23:05:06 (permalink)

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    , lets worry about more pressing issues. Such as gun crime.
    there is a direct corolation between people watching this crap sony put out and gun crime,so we are dealing with the same issue as you are worried about mate.however i do think certain places need to be left alone especially places of worship,some of our brave soldiers who have died in wars in iraq etc have been blessed and departed from this cathedral and deserve more respect.



    Hmmm...respect, yes, but it's fiction!

    How boring would films be if you couldn't include ANY building in them? LOL

    Games are the next step above movies, and it's not games making people kill people, it's the easier access to guns, the more publicity surrounding gang culture that inflames the situation, and HUMAN NATURE!!

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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 23:22:52 (permalink)
    sory mate its not fiction its a REAL CATHEDRAL they are useing as the backdrop for this trash they are producing,its a sacred place that people come to for prayer and peace of mind and soul,if you cant see that maybe you have been watching toooo many movies,try to seperate fiction from reality as its getting more difficult to do so.read my earlier post mate where i stated there is a direct corolation between silly films/games like this and actual events in real life (fact)as far as your comments on it would be boring if they couldnt use ANY building thats very shallow mate,we all need to think about how our actions will affect other people and their feelings.where do you think gangs get their ideas from mate?what would have happend had this been done in a mosque or simlar place of worship?we will never know because sony would already know what would have happend dont they.
    post edited by ginasmg - 2007/06/11 23:24:02
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    RE: Should Sony payout for Fall of Man? 2007/06/11 23:47:32 (permalink)
    Its only computerised/digitalised images!

    ORIGINAL: ginasmg

    what would have happend had this been done in a mosque or simlar place of worship?we will never know

    You may not but I have a reasonable idea, may I refer you to circa 2002 and the game Hitman 2:

    Sections of the Sikh community are in uproar this week after revelations that last month’s top-selling videogame, Hitman 2: Silent Assassin, features a violent final showdown in a gurdwara, a Sikh temple. The game encourages the player to enter the temple and kill a group of “fanatical believers” portrayed as followers of an evil cult leader. The setting for the final mission of the game is also said to bear a striking resemblance to the Harmandir Sahib in Amritsar, also known as the Golden Temple, which is the holiest of all Sikh shrines.

    Eidos has responded to accusations of racism and prejudicial treatment of Sikhs in the game by removing images and text from the game’s official website (a move described as “tokenistic” by the editor of Asian paper Eastern Eye), and issuing a statement which says that “no offence was intended by the developers or the publishers and both parties have taken considered steps to help rectify the situation”.

    Close attention has been paid to the game’s description of the mission, which says that the temple is a feared place where no insider has dared venture since a quelled uprising in the mid-80s. In 1984, the Indian army attacked the Amritsar temple to wipe out the Punjab independence movement, and this is thought to be the basis for the in-game briefing by certain parties.

    However, although an online petition to have the game removed from sale continues to receive signatures, and Eidos is said to be concerned about the matter, none of this prevented the publisher announcing a GameCube port of the controversial stealth-action title yesterday afternoon. Hitman 2 will grace the GameCube in a presumably unblemished form sometime in the spring.

    http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=897

    http://www.hitman2.com/Statement.htm


    ORIGINAL: 1ManRiot

    The world is already PC mad

    I thought this was a PS3 game
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