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2015/02/19 20:36:50 (permalink)
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Should more be done to save traditional British pubs?

In many small towns and villages now pubs that have closed down often seem to get snapped up by property developers and demolished,or converted into a single detached house.It's quite disappointing in many respects since especially in rural areas the the pub is the focal point for socialising.Maybe different planning laws stating the building most be used for a pub only if sold or something of that order.
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    Smokey87
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/19 20:42:35 (permalink)
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    If its not making money then it isnt making money...
    Most of the village pubs near me closed down because there struggling.

     
     
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 00:14:36 (permalink)
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    Lots of pros and cons for getting shot of traditional working man's pubs...
     
    Cons....
     
    All the OAP's and boring gits can't congregate in some sad old boozer....and keep each other company;
    Risk of a few of the above drifting into the establishments I drink in and lowering the standard;
     
     
    Pro's....
     
    The above alcy's/OAP's/weirdo's actually lose some weight and look a bit less old/unfit; 
    More housing stock slows the price growth bubble;
     
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    Re: Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 04:40:47 (permalink)
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    Lots of pros and cons for getting shot of traditional working man's pubs...
     
    Cons....
     
    All the OAP's and boring gits can't congregate in some sad old boozer....and keep each other company;
    Risk of a few of the above drifting into the establishments I drink in and lowering the standard;
     
     
    Pro's....
     
    The above alcy's/OAP's/weirdo's actually lose some weight and look a bit less old/unfit; 
    More housing stock slows the price growth bubble;
     

    Mate. I am utterly LOL'ing at the level of ignorance you come out with sometimes.
    A post such as this shows you are extremely immature with your views on life. The people you describe above would leave you standing in a conversation and with their knowledge of life itself.
    Have you no parents? Have you ever had an indepth discussion with one of these OAPs you so randomly despise and show no respect for?
    You are a truly sad and desperate individual my friend and you really do need to grow up fast.

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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 05:22:53 (permalink)
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    Going back to the OP's original intention of a thread on the decline of village pubs.
    Unfortunately it's the way of the world, the cost of living and traditional pubs finding it such a struggle to remain open for business.

    It's the same with city pubs as well though, as it is with shops. Unless we live in a secluded, affluent area of this country the money simply isn't there to support local businesses. Cheaper supermarkets, the net and 'pound pubs' are even causing the big supermarkets and department stores to cut back, usually with their staff. State of the nation and indeed the so-called 'developed' world we live in.
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 05:44:09 (permalink)
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    Its all pubs, not just in small towns. Started going down hill when the smoking ban started. There used to be a dozen pubs on a two mile walk into town, had some good times calling in at each for a swift one. Now theres just one, most where bought up by the asian community, offers made that where too good to turned down, a shame.
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 06:03:06 (permalink)
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    The indoor smoking ban was the last nail in the coffin of local pubs.
    If you can't go down to the pub, have a pint or 2 with friends, and a few fags, without having to stand outside in the rain half the time, you might as well sit in your house and drink much cheaper booze, that you bought from a multinational chain-store, and smoke as much as you like, while watching the propaganda-box.
    Sure, since the smoking ban, people who don't like the smell of smoke, boo hoo, don't have to put up with it any more, and pub employees who don't smoke don't have to worry about passive smoking any more; but pubs are obviously not full of non-smokers these days, and non-smoking employees presumably mind becoming unemployed just as much as smoking ones do.I don't smoke, btw.

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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 06:23:38 (permalink)
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    No, neither do i.
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 08:16:24 (permalink)
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    I can't stand smoking in public places, I much prefer pubs now and will venture in more often whether that be for a few beers with mates or a stop off when shopping with the mrs. Everyone likes different things; I wouldn't go if smoking was still legal in them, and I tried to avoid it when it was.

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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 10:31:47 (permalink)
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    I think there's 2 main reasons why local pubs have declined:
     
    1. The underlying costs charged by breweries
    2. The smoking ban
     
    Personally I think something should be done about both. I can remember before the smoking ban that there were several pubs near me that were non-smoking or had a small 'smoking area' within the pub. In my opinion, leaving it up to the pubs to decide was far better - customers who wanted to smoke went to a pub that allowed it. Customers who didn't want to smoke or inhale others' smoke simply went to a pub that didn't allow it

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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 10:33:51 (permalink)
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    I think the much tougher Live Music rules haven't helped much either - killing live music at the same time.

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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 10:40:32 (permalink)
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    I can't stand smoking in public places, I much prefer pubs now and will venture in more often whether that be for a few beers with mates or a stop off when shopping with the mrs. Everyone likes different things; I wouldn't go if smoking was still legal in them, and I tried to avoid it when it was.




    I totally agree with you nere I hate smoking ive never smoked & pubs are now much better even tho I only call in if out and about for food
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 10:51:57 (permalink)
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    If we're analysing the ins/outs of smoking in pubs, then yeah, the public health overrides the public house, and the latter should adapt or die - clearly most of the pubs grouping the great unwashed have died their natural deaths, and rightly so.
     
    BUT - there's something to be said for having a special smoking licence, as they do stateside.  Couple of years ago I was on holiday in the US deep south, got bored in my hotel while waiting for my girlfriend, so went out for a walk down the back streets, ran into some quiet bar , typical Americana, pool table/free peanuts at the bar, booth-seating etc, a couple of toothless old cretins lounging around (Floyd my boy you'd have loved it!!), ordered up some of the local brew - 'Tecate', wonderful stuff - , and about 5 mins later, "shock shock horror horror", the smell of ciggy smoke hit my nostrils.
     
    I'm a non-smoker, but it brought back some fond memories.  I think a few pubs should be kept smokers zones but I don't know how you'd distribute their licenses, do it by money and your Wetherspoon's will win all the time with their buying power, one per town/London Borough and you'll induce overcrowding in that venue, more than one they'll say you're encouraging smoking again, the list goes on....
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 12:41:10 (permalink)
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    I think a few pubs should be kept smokers zones but I don't know how you'd distribute their licenses
     
    What's the purpose of a smokers' licence though (other than to line the pockets of those who issue them)?
     
    What's wrong with pubs simply deciding for themselves if they'll allow smoking or not? People who want to smoke will go to a smoking pub, people who don't will go to a non-smoking pub!

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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 13:48:21 (permalink)
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    I think a few pubs should be kept smokers zones but I don't know how you'd distribute their licenses
     
    What's the purpose of a smokers' licence though (other than to line the pockets of those who issue them)?
     
    What's wrong with pubs simply deciding for themselves if they'll allow smoking or not? People who want to smoke will go to a smoking pub, people who don't will go to a non-smoking pub!




    Well, how should I put this...at the risk of stating the completely obvious - most N/S (non-smokers) are too fcking lazy to wander off to a N/S pub.  As demonstrated during most of the post-war period until 2007.
     
    The law was put in place to protect dumba$$es from themselves - smokers and N/S alike.
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 14:00:37 (permalink)
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    Smoking ban has little to do with it, theirs far more that don't smoke, and even at that I would smoke whilst drinking and was happy the smoking ban came in.
    Local small pubs are fading cause not many want to sit in a dingy **** hole.
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 14:21:06 (permalink)
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    Pubs are only a symptom, its the death of communities that is the problem.
     
    We have allowed ourselves and our communities to be divided via every axis, to the point that most people make a point of keeping themselves to themselves. 
     
    People move about a lot more now too, When I was a kid families had occupied houses for generations and generations, now everyone is striving to climb the property ladder neighbourhoods simply don't get time to 'gel' like they used to. 
     
    I'd love to see communities go back to how they were but I can't see it happening.

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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 15:18:25 (permalink)
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    Blub2abs
    If we're analysing the ins/outs of smoking in pubs, then yeah, the public health overrides the public house, and the latter should adapt or die - clearly most of the pubs grouping the great unwashed have died their natural deaths, and rightly so.


    should be left to the pub to decide what's in there best interest  , if public health was the over riding factor why not just ban cigarettes?
     
    you don't need laws to protect people from themselves , this is how you end up with an uneducated sheep.
     
    Smoking is just one of the problems IMO , high inflation and stagnant wages have squeezed a lot of people , disposable income shrinks and you have a recession , lots of businesses that where opened during the boom close, its not just pubs . I am a none smoker and haven't started going out more because of the smoking ban , in fact I am also going out less and less as time going on due to the reason above, same with eating out/takeaway's.
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 15:25:58 (permalink)
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    Then you would have to introduce discriminatory employment laws about who you let work at a smoking bar and all kids of super high insurances to protect workers etc, none of which is workable.
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    Re: Should more be done to save traditional British pubs? 2015/02/20 15:36:23 (permalink)
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    as a smoker, i would be amazed if the smoking ban has anything to do with it. it was a pain in the arse when it came in,but thats it.

    from what I can tell, most people dont go to the pubs much because of the price of a pint vs cans

      




     
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