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Side Raises for Shoulders

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2003/12/07 21:50:15 (permalink)

Side Raises for Shoulders

How do you guys rate side raises for building mass for the side delts. I have read in some places that they are useless, and others, such as Mike Mentzer say they are the only exercise that will build shoulder width.

I currently do 2 sets to failure of overhead barbell presses for shoulders, and I was thinking of doing 1 set of side raises to failure straight after the second set of overhead presses.

What do you think?

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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/07 22:09:03 (permalink)
    if you want some cannon ball delts do very strict standing military presses. if you look at guys from the 50 and 60's because they all competed in pressing comps as well they had fantastic delts. i still think reg park can stand with anyone on delts and his were built on a solid foundation of pressing.
    i only do 1 set of lateral raise and still do so as a power movement using very heavy weight
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/08 09:21:39 (permalink)
    I think it's only worth changing your routine if there's a problem with it currently. If you're getting stronger on the overhead presses then stick with just that. If they are a bit stale then try something else. Adding a set of lateral raises wouldn't break the bank as far as volume goes, so why not.
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/08 10:40:14 (permalink)
    AP you havent been doing that routine long, id stick with it a while longer, your weights have been going up so why change it?
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/08 15:45:35 (permalink)
    ap:

    BigMac hit the nail on the head. Show me a guy that has increased his lateral raise poundage from 20 pound dumbbells to 50 pound dumbbells, a 100% increase. Now, show me a guy that has increased his overhead press from 100 pounds to 200 pounds, a similar 100% increase. Which do you think will have bigger shoulders and more shoulder width?
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/08 15:57:20 (permalink)
    Actually, i know its a bit off topic, but when doing heavy overhead presses, I tend to arch my back a little and sometimes alot to aide lifting, I know its bad for me, any way to rememdy it?
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/08 15:58:30 (permalink)
    I also do the same sometimes Ironhead, helps to crank out those last few reps dont it??
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/08 16:12:04 (permalink)
    yup...only happens when you are straining but i am concious of it as I dont wanna hurt my back. I am sure alot of the guys do it...feels wrong though...it is wrong right?
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/08 17:03:23 (permalink)
    Thanks for the advice fellas, I'm gonna leave out the side raises for now.
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/08 17:18:12 (permalink)
    If you keep your wrists straight it makes it harder to cheat.
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/09 06:21:04 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Ironhead

    Actually, i know its a bit off topic, but when doing heavy overhead presses, I tend to arch my back a little and sometimes alot to aide lifting, I know its bad for me, any way to rememdy it?



    i do the same thing. if i don't i feel like i'm going to hit myself in the head with the bar.
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/09 08:46:47 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by Frankie NY

    ap:

    BigMac hit the nail on the head. Show me a guy that has increased his lateral raise poundage from 20 pound dumbbells to 50 pound dumbbells, a 100% increase. Now, show me a guy that has increased his overhead press from 100 pounds to 200 pounds, a similar 100% increase. Which do you think will have bigger shoulders and more shoulder width?



    Nobody ever said anything about choosing one or the other.
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/09 15:12:55 (permalink)
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    Originally posted by rogerthedog

    Nobody ever said anything about choosing one or the other.



    That's not the point.
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/09 16:39:00 (permalink)
    I don't want to be difficult but I don't think your analogy works if he's trying to decide whether to do just presses or presses and raises.
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/10 12:37:29 (permalink)
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    Do a mix of side raises, bent over lateral rows, seated barbell press (in a smith machine) and weighted pullups...superset 2 on different days

    What do you mean a mix of side raises? What are bent over lat rows? I would not suggest doing Smith presses. And why weighted Pull-ups? Lastly, what do you mean by superset 2 on different days?
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/10 15:31:03 (permalink)
    Personally I think Smith presses are fine if you're training alone or any machine press, depending on how near failure you want to go I've found my self on a dangerous wobble with free standing military press, where's my spotter gone?
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    RE: Side Raises for Shoulders 2003/12/10 15:38:43 (permalink)
    quote:
    Originally posted by DD

    I've found my self on a dangerous wobble with free standing military press, where's my spotter gone?


    "Dangerous wobble" means one of three things:

    1. Feet not far enough apart to have a stable base

    2. Knees locked in position instead of slightly bent

    2. Insufficient core strength - focus on training abs, lower back, and related core muscles
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