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2004/02/18 08:14:13 (permalink)
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Smith or Dumbells.

This has probably been discussed in the past. The gym which i use only has facilities for smith machines and dumbells, it doesn't have any free-weight benches which kind of sucks, might change gyms soon anyways. But for the time being, should i be sticking to dumbells for chest and military presses or still mixing it up with the smith machine for press?

Cheers Alex
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    Scourge_of_God
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 11:33:34 (permalink)
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    Find a new gym...

    Failing that, I will repeat my old mantra:

    The smith machine is your enemy. The smith is the antichrist of hardcore lifting. The smith is the single largest waste of a lifters time every invented by man, beast or supernatural entity. Death be to the smith machine.

    The only thing the smith machine is good for is chin ups and a towel rack, unless you can actually pick the damn thing up and bench it, in which case, maximum respect...

    Dumbells are good, but I would prefer a barbell...
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 12:09:27 (permalink)
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    I know the dangers associated with the Smiths Machine however I (and many others) have used it in the past without any problems. Having said that free-weights are a far superior choice.

    I would go with the dumbbells provided you have adequate poundage for a good workout. I would also look for a better equipped gym.
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 13:40:51 (permalink)
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    smith machines .. no thanks
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 15:42:09 (permalink)
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    Tke the advice bro and try and find a gym with more equipment - benches, barbell, squat racks, plenty of plates and dumbells, etc.
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 16:49:21 (permalink)
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    Thanks all, Yeah just as i thought. I guess using the smith machine is just the easy way out! Need to develop my stabilisers more than anything, there is another gym locally to me, i shall investigate and try and join... it's a "man's gym" :P

    Thanks again, Alex
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 17:46:11 (permalink)
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    Gym without benches? Hmmm...I hope they're paying you to go there. Either that or the chicks better be really hot.
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 18:24:23 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by PsYoP78

    Gym without benches? Hmmm...I hope they're paying you to go there. Either that or the chicks better be really hot.



    lol, i was thinking the same thing
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 19:38:45 (permalink)
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    heh, yes well, live in England, gyms around my area are sh1tty. i live in the South, no call to be a meathead down here :P
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 20:06:01 (permalink)
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    Anyways did day 2 of Frankie NY's program and used:

    32.5KG Dumbells for incline chest press x 5 reps and
    27.5KG Dumbells for shoulder press x 5 reps
    (only been training for 6 months, also it would appear i've been doing the wrong routines thus far and hence haven't been going up all that much weight)
    Felt better than using the smith machine. Will still end up joining the other gym in town that offers benches for free weights bar lifting.

    Cheers Alex :)
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/18 22:59:04 (permalink)
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    What's so bad about smith machines then?
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/19 00:52:09 (permalink)
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    OK, silly question maybe, but what's a Smith Machine? I only use free weights anyway, but i'm intrigued. I have seen no machine in my gym with the word 'SMITH' written on it. What does it look like and what does it do, or is it a general term for weight machines?
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/19 08:25:32 (permalink)
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    The link below shows a Smith Machine

    http://www.pro-fitness.com/7-Degrre-Smith-Machine.jpg

    It's a "Guided Barbell".
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/19 09:43:05 (permalink)
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    I'm gutted, been using a smith - machine for some time thinking it was just the job. In fact everyone fights over it at our place. So what is so bad about it - I mean I can lift more weight than I can lift with a free bar and its in a controlled manner which surely promotes good form
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/19 09:52:45 (permalink)
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    It depends, if you want to target a muscle, i would say the smith machine is pretty good (bit dodgy for squats and static lunges though). However when using free-weights you are using a lot of "stabilisers" as well which is an advantage. I still can't see why varying the apparatus you use (dumbells, barbell, smith) is harmful for you though. Surely the variation is good for hitting the muscle groups in a different manner. Then again i'm no expert lol

    (PS. think the smith machine is good for shrugs if you do them!)

    Cheers Alex
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/19 11:49:04 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by kebab1

    I'm gutted, been using a smith - machine for some time thinking it was just the job. In fact everyone fights over it at our place. So what is so bad about it - I mean I can lift more weight than I can lift with a free bar and its in a controlled manner which surely promotes good form



    That's why all the lads fight over it. It is a mirage in terms of the weight you can lift as it allows you to cheat on the lift and also lift more than you would do. Best off leaving egos in the changing room. Doing some nice 5x5 dumbell or barbell bench work and laughing quietly to yourself as they all ask you in 6 months time how you got to be so much stronger and your chest is so much bigger than theirs....
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/19 11:56:13 (permalink)
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    IMO you should mix it up dumbells and smill machine work. Make sure that the dumbells you use are heavy enough to do the job. Everything has its place.
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/20 01:57:52 (permalink)
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    Dumbells are the sh**! Eventually, I plan on using dumbbells whenever & wherever possible. Just this week I jumped up to using 2 65 lb dumbbells for flat bench 3x8 & my chest/shoulders were wasted. When I did my incline barbell presses next, I could only do 135 lbs 3x6. Then for my shoulder presses, I could only do 3x6 with 42.5 lb dumbbells.

    Most weight machines are a complete waste. I agree that some people who use them in the gyms are doing so mainly for their ego. I've seen a guy pile on 560 lbs on a leg press machine & press it like it was nothing. Of course, he won't be putting that much on a bar & squatting it the same way, that's for sure.
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/20 12:41:38 (permalink)
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    funny you should mention the leg press snaeke as I generally squat at the 220Kg mark for reps and for a laugh last week I wondered how much I could press on the leg press. I decided to heap on 300kg (around 660Ibs) and still had plenty more to give as I didn't have to worry about stabilising the weight or keeping a natural line through my movement. I have to admit that a 200Kg squat took much more effort to do than that.
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    RE: Smith or Dumbells. 2004/02/20 12:50:04 (permalink)
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    Impressive Cashman! Just make sure all the ladies are watching when you use the leg press next time.
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