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Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please

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2006/07/11 15:14:00 (permalink)

Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please

Got my tablets yesterday BD 10mg tabs going to take 3 split a day for 6 weeks. Ordered milk thistle capsules, and vitamin b5 powder to combat acne. Any other advice apart from eat clean, train hard. How many litres of water should i consume daily? If any signs of gyno appear should i stop this cycle immediately? Advice would be grateful!

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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 15:17:18 (permalink)
    i would drink 8-10 pints per day plus drinkwater during training,

    novl will help to combat gyno

    i believe with a healthy active lifestyle and some good knowledge and aas/peps use etc that you can live a longer stronger better life.

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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 15:29:55 (permalink)
    how many litres in a pint???
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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 16:17:48 (permalink)
    Ok this is just meant as a little background information on the drugs you are about to take, their uses, side effects and the correct protocol for taking them.

    Cycle:

    Week 1-6 30mg anabol every day – split 10mg (1 capsule) at breakfast, lunch and dinner
    Week 1-6 1500mg milk thistle ed split half at breakfast and the other half at dinner

    Post cycle therapy:

    Starts the day after your last anabol tablet and is as below:
    Day 1 = 60mg nolvadex taken all in the morning
    Days 2-11 = 40mg nolvadex
    Days 12-21 = 20mg nolvadex

    First a little about the two drugs you will be taking:

    Anabol – (methandrostenlone)

    Anabol is a fairly old drug – it’s been around for a long time and was one of the first successful oral steroids available – widely used by the early mass monsters like Arnie etc. it is converted by the liver into testosterone, because it passes through the liver in order to get into your blood stream it requires the liver to do a fair amount of work and as a result it is liver toxic. Prolonged use of anabol without precautions will possibly lead to liver failure – it’s the same as drinking half a bottle of whiskey every day. In order to reduce this risk it is generally advised not to run more than 3 oral only cycles per year and as an added precaution I have noted milk thistle should be used with the anabol. Milk thistle is a liver protectant and will speed up your liver functions and help regenerate your liver. As an aside you can take milk thistle before you go out to the pub – 4 tabs before you go and 4 upon your return home will normally eliminate any risk of hangover, regardless of how much you drank the night before.

    Anabol promotes protein sythesis and the conversion of amino acids into lean muscle mass, to get the most out of this drug you need to have a good diet. If you are not eating enough protein you will not gain to your full potential on this drug. A weight gain of 2-4 lb’s per week is normal with anabol, whether you get the 2lb per week or the 4lb per week is down to your diet. You will be taking 30mg of anabol per day, this is 6 times your natural testosterone production so you WILL gain off this, if you do not gain well it’s because you are not eating enough. I’ll go into diet later.

    The other thing to notice is that you will be spreading the drug out thru the day, this is because your liver deactivates the anabol fairly quickly. Half of the drug will be deactivated within 5 hours of you taking it so to get a consistent testosterone level you need to split your dose through the day.

    Side effects, right firstly you will normally produce 5mg of testosterone per day so this cycle will be giving you 6 times your normal testosterone level – which is why you‘ll grow, However your body will recognise that it has more testosterone than normal and it will attempt to restore your hormonal balance. It will do this by aromatizing some of the test and converting it into oestrogen which is the female hormone. This will lead to some water retention, this is not necessarily a bad thing as muscle is 80% water (the rest being protein) so water will make you gain better and will increase your strength with will also increase your gains. It will however make you look a bit smoother than normal. Another common side effect associated with oestrogen is gynocomastia, the formation of breast tissue (bitch tit), if you feel any tenderness in your nipples, any itching or any pain around this area this is the start of gyno. We can combat this so do not worry, just look out for the signs.

    Nolvadex – (tamoxofen)

    This is an anti oestroegen, it blocks the effects of oestrogen on your body and it is used during post cycle therapy and to fight gyno. The importance of post cycle therapy is massive. When you take a steroid your body stops producing it’s own testosterone, shutting down your HPTA. When you stop your cycle your body will still not be producing any testosterone at all and you will have stopped taking in the exogenous test (anabol) and so the only hormone left in your body at this point will be oestrogen which is the female hormone, you will have the hormone profile of an adolescent girl and as a result you will want to grow breasts! Nolvadex blocks the effects of oestrogen, stopping any effects of the oestrogen in your body and allowing your body time to get it’s own testosterone production up and running again. During post cycle therapy your oestrogen levels will drop while your testosterone levels rise, by the end of pct your oestrogen levels will be back to normal (you will notice a reduction in weight during this time as your body gets rid of excess water) and your testosterone levels should be back up to normal too. If you do subsequent cycles your testosterone recovery time will get longer and longer and you will need to take other drugs to speed up the recovery of your natural test, again nothing to worry about as we can sort this out later.

    Nolvadex is also used to combat gyno while your on cycle. Basically if you get gyno you want to start blocking the effects of oestrogen which will stop the growth of the breast tissue and later reverse it. There is no need to panic as nolvadex is 80% effective in completely reversing gyno if you catch it early – at the itchy, tender nipple stage or ever after small lumps have formed. The protocol for reversing the gyno is 60mg on the day you first notice it, then 40mg every day until the gyno has reversed, then 20mg every day for the rest of your cycle. IF you do not have enough nolvadex to run it ed for 6 weeks and do pct you will have enough to see you through until you get more – so if you get gyno, start taking the nolvadex and order some more, delivery will take 3 days or so. Really tho you should have additional nolvadex on hand just incase – it’s best to assume the worst!

    DIET

    To GAIN 1lb of muscle you need to UP your calories by 500 cals ed (every day), but this has to be in the form of extra protein or you will add fat and not muscle.

    To lose fat AND gain muscle mass you need to eat something like this:

    Calories each day – 15-18 x your weight in LB’s
    Carbs – 2 x your weight in LB’s
    Protein – 2 x your weight in LB’s
    Fats – 2 x your weight in LB’s

    these are generic figures so you'll need to use trial and error to figure out where in there you fit!

    If you’re doing exercise outwith the gym ie boxing etc then you need to up your calories to compensate – as a rough guide you’ll burn 100 cals for every 10 minutes that you’re sweating and training with an elevated heart rate. So if you train for 4 hours a week then you need to increase your calorie (preferably by getting more protein) by 4x60(mins)x100/10 = 2400 cals per week = 350 cals per day increase. You need to look at all your physical activity cos if you play football or run or whatever you are robbing your body of the calories it needs to grow so you need to eat more to compensate.

    Now if you’re increasing your calories and you’re doing it by adding carbs then you will likely gain FAT and not muscle – carbs are not easily converted into amino acids which are used to build muscle. Protein however is easily broken down into amino acids so any protein you eat will be readily available to the body to build muscle.

    So you’ve got your diet figured out in terms of how many cals and grammes of protein and carbs etc you need per day, now you need to know how to break that down into meals and to do this you need to understand how the body works.

    I DIDN’T KILL A MAMMOTH TODAY! OH NOOOOO:

    Survival mechanism 1 – oh no there’s no food! Your body is programmed to store food incase you cannot get any! Hunter gatherer stuff really. Now what this means for you, is that IF you do not get regular food your body will store some of the food you do eat as fat – regardless of how much you actually eat (unless you’re starving like, ketosis is a whole different thing) so if you eat as most people do at the moment, breakfast, lunch and dinner only as your main meals your body will start to panic around 11am and think, **** I’m starving, no food, bollox and when you eat lunch your body will say thank **** for that! And it’ll store some of your lunch as fat! Same will happen around 4pm and your body will sigh with relief when you have dinner about 6pm and again it will store a portion of this food as fat – just incase dinner doesn’t come tomorrow! This will happen regardless of how good your diet is so you need to find a way to change the way your body looks at food. This is why you may have a belly even although you are generally skinny – your body is trying to store fat incase you don’t eat for a few days.

    You MUST eat regularly so your body gets used to the FACT that there is a plentiful supply of mammoth and it will not starve or need to store fat. So you eat small amounts at 2-3 hour intervals from the moment you wake up to the moment you go to bed. This means that your body will use the food you do eat to build muscle and it’ll **** out the rest rather than store it as fat.

    OH NO I’M GASPING FOR A DRINK:

    Survival mechanism 2. there is no water, I will dry up and die!!

    Your body also stores water – yes WATER! It stores this in your fat cells, muscle fibres and basically everywhere. Just incase there is a drought and you need to survive without water for a few days. In reality you and I know that if the worst comes to the worse you’ll drink out the tap but your body, poor soul has not got a Scooby! So it stores water - all the time. That tea you just had – you’ll still have ¼ of it in your body tomorrow! So again what do we do – well if convince your body that there will ALWAYS be water kicking about it will not store any. This in reality means that if you do as I tell you, you should lose about 4-5lb in the first 2-3 days, this is just water being pissed out cos your body does not need to store it because it’s getting loads of it anyway. You’re looking to drink 2-3l of water every day. Or drink 750ml of bitter lemon each day as this is a diuretic – better to stick to water tho as you’ll get used to it after a little while.

    If you stop drinking 2-3 l of water for even a day your body will start to store it again and this will happen within 24 hours – so you’ll stop drinking water (or fluids or any sort) - at regular intervals and by bed time the next night you’ll be 4lb heavier. This is good for instant weight loss for a special event or something but if you can get used to drinking regularly then there’s no need for this weight to go back on! Those funny diets your girl friend does are often based around drinking lots of fluid and this is why she loses lots of weight in the first week – it’s just water! So again if she drinks 3l of water ed for a week before that wedding you’re going to then she’ll lose 4lb or so of weight by the end of the week and can fit into that new dress – no need to change her diet, just drink more water and her body will get rid of the stuff it’s storing. You can tell her this next time she’s freaking out before a party or something and she’ll be well impressed when she takes your advice and loses weight in time for the party – 750ml of bitter lemon every day for 4 day’s will do the same thing.

    Now there are two ways you can use this information on the one hand water will give you extra strength – this is why creatine is so popular as it makes your body retain water more than normal. Water bulks up your muscles making them more stable under load and therefore meaning you can lift more! By lifting more you gain more muscle! This is really what you guys’ want to allow to happen as the anabol will give you water retention and this will lead to additional lean muscular gains.

    Or you can try to reduce your retained water by drinking loads of the stuff – this will make you appear more cut and defined and will help to lose some of your fat around your belly as water will also be stored in that. Really depends on what you want. Maybe keep the water for now and when it’s closer to summer, start to increase your water intake to get your abs more defined. You may want to up your water intake for pct to quickly get rid of any bloat you have and to give yourself a harder more defined appearance.


    this is my diet at the moment

    7am
    80g Aplen – 368 cal, 67 carb, 12 pro, 6 fat
    300ml Milk – 100 cal, 15 carb, 10 pro, - fat

    9am
    300ml coffee – 6 cal, - carb, - pro, - fat

    10am
    300ml water - - cal, - carb, - pro, - fat
    ½ pro 50 bar – 176 cal, 6 carb, 25 pro, 4 fat

    12 noon
    4 slice weight watcher bread – 200 cal, 40 carb, 9 pro, 1 fat
    150g chicken – 274 cal, - carb, 45 pro, - fat
    40g lettuce – 5 cal, 1 carb, - pro, - fat
    1 mushroom – 4 cal, - carb, - pro, - fat
    1 spring onion – 5 cal, 1 carb, - pro, - fat
    300ml water - - cal, - carb, - pro, - fat

    2pm
    ½ pro 50 bar – 176 cal, 6 carb, 25 pro, 4 fat
    300ml water - - cal, - carb, - pro, - fat

    4pm
    400ml milk – 134 cal, 20 carb, 14 pro, - fat
    2 weight watchers apple pies – 255 cal, 42 carb, 3 pro, 8 fat

    6pm
    150g beef – 290 cal, - carb, 48 pro, 20 fat
    1 nut cutlet – 335 cal, 22 carb, 10 pro, 23 fat
    300ml water - - cal, - carb, - pro, - fat

    8:30pm
    3 slices weight watchers bread toasted – 150 cal, 30 carb, 7 pro, 1 fat
    1 tin weight watchers beans – 265 cal, 45 carb, 20 pro, - fat
    300ml water - - cal, - carb, - pro, - fat

    10pm
    1 can Stella artois (e3d) – 140 cal, 8 carb, - pro, - fat

    11pm
    300ml milk – 100 cal, 15 carb, 10 pro, - fat
    I scoop promax – 100 cal, 1 carb, 20 pro, 1 fat

    Totals for the day

    Calories – 3083cal (I’m doing 2-3 hours cardio each week)
    Carbohydrates – 318g
    Protein – 300g
    Fat – 68g

    Chicken, beef and salmon are alternated through the week.

    I also snack on asparagus and carrot sticks thru the day.

    Currently I’m cutting so I’m eating lots of protein and I’m doing cardio – this is to try to lose fat while maintaining my muscle mass.

    TRAINING


    IMHO train each body part twice a week, split monday, wednesday and friday - workouts lasting no more than 45 minutes and sticking to compound basic exercises. This is just something I’ve found out thru trial and error and thru listening to other people who have had to learn this for themselves in the past. If you’re ecto morphic you’re naturally skinny and with a little muscle mass, you can’t train like endo/meso morphs (muscular or fat guys) as they naturally gain muscle faster and easier than you do. Even while on steroids you would do well to limit the amount of time you spend in the gym but it’s important that you do not over train once you are off the gear.

    You’re prone to over training! Overtraining is a very very easy thing for someone to fall into. You automatically think that if you're gaining off such and such a routine then if you do MORE you'll gain MORE but this is really not the case. if you eat more you'll gain more but if you train more you'll end up in a calorie deficit and you'll actually start to lose weight as well as feeling tired, rundown and generally crap.

    We've all done it to at some point or another, so no one will slag you off for overtraining, but I’m warning against it cos it's just a total waste of your hard work.

    you need to keep it all very very basic, in and out of the gym fast and lift heavy. Remember you do not grow at all while you are in the gym – only when you are eating and resting do you grow so every second you’re in the gym you are NOT growing or gaining muscle!!

    so concentrating on compound exercises.

    squats
    dead lifts
    bench press
    chins
    lunges
    dips

    These are the big heavy exercises which use more than one muscle group – good value for effort in other words.

    maybe do bi's and tri's once a week or so but not every training day! They’re a small muscle group and they will honestly grow if you train chest and back heavy!

    so maybe Monday (legs, chest and shoulders):

    squats 3 sets of 6-8
    lunges 3 sets of 6-8
    bench 3 sets of 6-8
    dips 3 sets of 6-8
    shoulder press 3 sets of 6-8

    wednesday (chest, back and shoulders)

    bench 3 sets of 6-8
    dips 3 sets of 6-8
    dead lifts 3 sets of 6-8
    chins 3 sets of 6-8
    tri's 2 sets of 10
    shoulder press 3 sets of 6-8

    friday (back and legs)

    dead lifts 3 sets of 6-8
    chins 3 sets of 6-8
    squats 3 sets of 6-8
    lunges 3 sets of 6-8
    bi's 2 sets of 10
    calves 3 sets of 10

    all these workouts should take no more than 45 minutes so you're in and out quickly and you're able to rest and feed!

    the other thing you’ll notice is the low reps used generally. Really you want to be doing sets of 6 for everything other than the small muscle groups. This again is to hit the muscle hard and fast. Keep your form good but lift as heavy as you can. Do not go to failure on squats or deadlifts as this will likely lead to crappy form and injury. But on bench, chins etc you can train like this maybe:

    Bench
    Day 1 – 200lb x 6, 5, 4 reps
    Day 2 – 200lb x 6, 6, 5 reps
    Day 3 – 200lb x 6, 6, 6 reps – increase the weight cos you did 3 sets of 6!
    Day 4 – 210lb x 6, 5, 4 reps

    On squats always pick a weight you are comfortable you can do sets of 6 with and when you feel you can do more up the weight. But keep your form correct! Do not risk injury to increase the weight – an injury will set you back months so it’s really not worth it. You will notice a very rapid strength increase on the anabol. You need to keep a clear head and listen to your body while training, if you increase the weights too fast you will suffer from connective tissue damage – torn tendons or ligaments, your muscular strength will increase slightly faster than your tendon strength so if you get any pain at the base of your muscles or at the joints, back off a little for a week and then start to increase the weight gradually – this will give your tendons time to catch up with your muscles.

    Oh one last thing! Weight yourself when you start this and measure your chest, shoulders, thighs etc. also measure your waist at your belly button, do not panic if your waist measurement increases by a couple of inches, this is just water retention and will reverse during pct! Weight and measure every 2 weeks – no more regularly as it will only piss you off. 2 weeks is enough time to see if things are working, if you do not gain weight and size as quickly as you want then look to your diet but whatever you do, do not reduce your protein intake – you need to feed the muscle.

    Good luck with the cycle



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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 16:33:45 (permalink)
    Wow, top post Ninja!!! Very informative mate!!
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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 16:38:52 (permalink)
    just rough guides to training and diet etc. don't take as gospel as everyone's different

    fine for some outline info tho

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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 17:01:58 (permalink)
    surely this is a mistake..........

    To lose fat AND gain muscle mass you need to eat something like this:

    Calories each day – 15-18 x your weight in LB’s
    Carbs – 2 x your weight in LB’s
    Protein – 2 x your weight in LB’s
    Fats – 2 x your weight in LB’s

    that would mean i'd have to eat 450g of fat a day
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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 17:11:14 (permalink)
    lol

    sorry

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    blooody copy and paste!

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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 17:18:30 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: theweeninjaguy

    lol

    sorry

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    blooody copy and paste!

    ninja

    i wish you'd said sooner, i've just been out and bought a big batch of fresh cream cakes
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    RE: Starting 6 week d bol cycle..........advice please 2006/07/11 17:20:34 (permalink)
    time to plan a bulk then!

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