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Steriod/performance enhancing rankings

I know all substances will affect people in different ways, but in general, does anyone know of a table which summarizes them all like below?:

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I'm mostly interested in the 'Fat Burning' column.

EDIT: They have ranked Ephedrine @ 6 and Clenbuterol @ 5.....Anybody would agree/disagree?

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post edited by RedHotF - 2009/07/13 23:34:01

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I think they are trying to out-alpha you.




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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 17:57:51 (permalink)
    Tables like that are pretty much useless mate.

    Aside from that, steroids don't burn fat.

     
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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:02:59 (permalink)
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    lilbigman

    I think they are trying to out-alpha you.




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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:06:07 (permalink)
    Ah sorry I thought you were looking at the steroid/fat burn column and not the other PEDs.

    Clen is the better stimulant/thermogenic in that it is a direct agonist of the adrenergic beta 2 receptor. That said, the secondary effects from eph (appetite suppression and increased performance) is likely to make for a better overall result.



     
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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:08:52 (permalink)
    Cheers mate!

    lilbigman

    I think they are trying to out-alpha you.




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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:09:28 (permalink)
    PartyBoy

    Tables like that are pretty much useless mate.

    Aside from that, steroids don't burn fat.


    But they can help you loose fat.

    That aside, the chart is pritty worthless.

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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:14:40 (permalink)
    The direct action of steroids on lipolysis is not worthy of consideration. Certainly not in view of the potential side effect/risk profile of using steroids.


    Sure, they can offset potential muscle losses during fat loss phases, but unless you have very appreciable amounts of muscle mass and are cutting to low numbers, I would even question the necessity here.

     
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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:17:58 (permalink)
    PartyBoy

    The direct action of steroids on lipolysis is not worthy of consideration. Certainly not in view of the potential side effect/risk profile of using steroids.


    Sure, they can offset potential muscle losses during fat loss phases, but unless you have very appreciable amounts of muscle mass and are cutting to low numbers, I would even question the necessity here.


    I am no dout questioning your knowledge mate, but i know for a fact high dose test/tren does make me loose fat. But the path to how this happens i am unsure on.

    Not talking small 500mg a week doses here.

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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:18:17 (permalink)
    PartyBoy

    Tables like that are pretty much useless mate.

    Aside from that, steroids don't burn fat.


    Anavar? Read studies on that cutting ab fat.

    Tbh...don't they also effect nutrient partioning? I know the general line is that steroids don't "burn" fat, but they do have positive influences on bodyfat %'s based on my reading.

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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:20:24 (permalink)
    The difference over and above what would be achieved through diet/cardio is almost meaningless, unless you are at the top of your game where every possible PED is used to achieve the result necessary.

     
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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 18:24:39 (permalink)
    PartyBoy

    The difference over and above what would be achieved through diet/cardio is almost meaningless, unless you are at the top of your game where every possible PED is used to achieve the result necessary.


    But its not meaningless when you look simply at the aas and take cardio out the equation.

    I notice a distinict differance to my bf% when running test/tren at high dose, regardless of any amount of cardio, aas use deffinatly helps me loose fat threw one pathway or another.

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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 21:24:49 (permalink)
    ive never used a steroid thats helped me burn fat per say but they allow me to take my diet that step further down in cals

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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 22:12:18 (permalink)
    according to that link, gains on dbol or more keepable then test enan.

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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 22:17:04 (permalink)
    Not that I've used tren but I've read so many times that users love it for it's ability to assist massively in fat loss.....these would be classed as well respected members too with a wealth of PED knowlege.

    Never used myself though
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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 22:20:55 (permalink)
    the link does look a bit iffy

    I dont know much about PED's but i thought tren for sure strips fat off you hence the tren sweats etc and why its used in comp prep.

    'i split with my gf because it made me feel sick when i saw her eat hi gi carbs'
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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 22:22:17 (permalink)
    According to that table nolva burns fat and test cyp is better than test e lol
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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 22:25:21 (permalink)
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    PartyBoy

    The difference over and above what would be achieved through diet/cardio is almost meaningless, unless you are at the top of your game where every possible PED is used to achieve the result necessary.


    But its not meaningless when you look simply at the aas and take cardio out the equation.

    I notice a distinict differance to my bf% when running test/tren at high dose, regardless of any amount of cardio, aas use deffinatly helps me loose fat threw one pathway or another.


    Again Partyboy, not wishing to question your judgement/knowledge mate, I hold you in the highest regard for it but what about the process/links of DHT in terms of fat-loss, as you may or may not  remember I`m a regular user of Finasteride, when not on cycle I struggle to lose fat, inroduce extra test on the same diet (or more)and it starts shifting ?
    Your thoughts appreciated mate.
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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 23:13:11 (permalink)
    Tren = Trenbolone for short i assume?

    And why has my original post been flagged as inappropriate?!

    And bear in mind guys, i'm asking if you know of any other tables or would critique the one in my post.

    Not specifically rating the fat burning effects of steriods.


    lilbigman

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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 23:17:02 (permalink)
    THE_MANN

    Tren = Trenbolone for short i assume?

    And why has my original post been flagged as inappropriate?!

    And bear in mind guys, i'm asking if you know of any other tables or would critique the one in my post.

    Not specifically rating the fat burning effects of steriods.


    Yes mate tren - trenbolone.

    Someone probly thought your post was in the wrong section bud.

    And your post been taken a bit off tangent, my fault but its quite a intresting subject.

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    Re:Steriod/performance enhancing rankings 2009/07/13 23:18:02 (permalink)
    scott have u used tren? will edit if you want me to

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