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2008/05/22 11:11:21 (permalink)
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Steriods

I'm looking to go on a course of steriods, reduce body fat and increase muscle mass. I am 51 years old, I do work out I'm 5' 11" and 15.7 stone, can anyone advise me on what is the best course to take? Cheers
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    ed1coupe
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 11:17:51 (permalink)
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    Hav eyou done any courses of aas/ds before? give us details of training regime, diet.
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 11:18:41 (permalink)
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    how much fat are you carrying at the moment mate?

    how long have you been training?

    its really hard to advise one particular course without knowing a bit about people. also recovery at your age could be quite slow, have you had a ny checks done on your testosterone levels recently so that you know what they are?

    Its better to have one particular goal in mind really, either cutting or gaining muscle, as its very hard to do both, and ends up a compromise where neither is optimal and results could be quite small
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 11:29:57 (permalink)
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    My body fat percentage is 30.3%, I would rather lose the fat and tone up than bulk up. I have been training for a couple of years 3 x a week.
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 11:41:35 (permalink)
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    try clenbuterol, the best to harden and loose fat, and it is not a steroid so no hormonal problems, ur 51 dude !
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 12:24:50 (permalink)
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    look up an eca stack.
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 13:02:37 (permalink)
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    Surely a low dose test cycle would be better, say 250mg EW? At 51 your body fat is going to be higher than most of the younger guys on here anyway. The extra test in your system will give you drive, and make you feel like a horny 20 year old again - and some. At the same time it'll help you build muscle mass, or loose body fat without loosing muscle.

    What kind of training do you do? Typical BB style? Or OAP style?

    By this i mean, when you get into a gym are you doing, deadlifts, squats, pull ups, bench press, dips, rows. Or rowing and swiss ball work? Because if its the latter no amount of 'ASSistance' will help.

    To me all tone means is 'build muscle slowly'. I'd spent the next year putting on as much lean muscle as possible, and then use the atvantage of an increased metabolism and greater LBM to help with fat loss.
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 13:47:50 (permalink)
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    yeah a test dose could also be used id say 400mgs a week dont want it too low be unbeneficial
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 13:52:26 (permalink)
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    What kind of test do you recommend? And in what quantity? How many jabs per week? And where is the best injection site, shoulder or backside? I do bench press, deadlift, pull ups and all the kind of weights. Thanks for your quick reply. Cheers.
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 13:59:03 (permalink)
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    Fcuk sake what is wrong with you people, 30% BF and youre recommending meds?

    Window:

    Come to the diet forum, look up tabata training and circuit training mate and you will reach your goals without the need for pumping yourself full of chemicals mate

    you can get there in 6 months id say
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 14:01:00 (permalink)
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    I would go for sust or enthate using 500 per week

    Mon 250
    Thurs 250

    Where you inject comes down to personal prefrence i like doing bis, delts and tris but the glute is prob the safest bet for a first time user.
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 14:11:26 (permalink)
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    Cheers Dave,

    How long should I go on the course for, what would you recommend? Can get Ethinate so will take that.
    Cheers
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 14:44:21 (permalink)
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    the iopener is right, but patience is a virtue we dont always have, so if the guy already decided to go for the dark side, we might as well help him do it smart !

    but true, just force urself to eat only a protein shake for dinner, no carbs no fat, train hard and then think about aas !
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 14:47:20 (permalink)
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    Maybe mado01a but how is chemical assistance going to make him shed the fat?

    I know a personal trainer in his mid 40's that looks the business and hes clean

    Window's main goal is to lose the bodyfat and get in a nice shape, that doesnt require chemical assistance
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 14:49:27 (permalink)
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    iopener is right no need for chemicals yet,that would be a waste of time,how the hell can test make u lose fat and tone up,its laughable.
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 14:50:43 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    Maybe mado01a but how is chemical assistance going to make him shed the fat?

    I know a personal trainer in his mid 40's that looks the business and hes clean

    Window's main goal is to lose the bodyfat and get in a nice shape, that doesnt require chemical assistance


    Chemical assistance will allow him, to some extent, to both build muscle and drop fat.

    "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true."
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 14:53:34 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: FatboyGinger
    ORIGINAL: theiopener
    Maybe mado01a but how is chemical assistance going to make him shed the fat?

    I know a personal trainer in his mid 40's that looks the business and hes clean

    Window's main goal is to lose the bodyfat and get in a nice shape, that doesnt require chemical assistance

    Chemical assistance will allow him, to some extent, to both build muscle and drop fat.

    Do me a favour mate, with the utmost respect unless you have experienced first hand seeing someone drop from 30% BF to 10% at a faster rate than someone who isnt assisted then please dont comment.

    He can lose both fat and build muscle if he carb cycles.

    Again i state there is absolutely no reason for chemical assistance in this case when you look at his end goals
    post edited by theiopener - 2008/05/22 14:54:01
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 15:18:10 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    ORIGINAL: FatboyGinger
    ORIGINAL: theiopener
    Maybe mado01a but how is chemical assistance going to make him shed the fat?

    I know a personal trainer in his mid 40's that looks the business and hes clean

    Window's main goal is to lose the bodyfat and get in a nice shape, that doesnt require chemical assistance

    Chemical assistance will allow him, to some extent, to both build muscle and drop fat.

    Do me a favour mate, with the utmost respect unless you have experienced first hand seeing someone drop from 30% BF to 10% at a faster rate than someone who isnt assisted then please dont comment.

    He can lose both fat and build muscle if he carb cycles.

    Again i state there is absolutely no reason for chemical assistance in this case when you look at his end goals


    I think you are forgetting his age. At his age it will be a miracle if he can gain muscle mass without gaining fat. Also, since he's already been consistently lifting he's probably not going to gain much if any muscle ever again due to steadily declining testosterone.

    I've seen (and it's proven) that higher levels of androgen helps with fat loss. Did you know that fat cells have androgen receptors?

    You are right that he can lose fat and get fit and look better without gear. You are wrong to think that doing the same with gear won't help speed up the process.
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 15:22:59 (permalink)
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    I would rather lose the fat and tone up than bulk up.

    Rockwell you see that quote that to me says no AAS is needed

    Im not forgetting his age either. Ive seen plenty on people in my gym 40+ years of age that manage just fine to get into decent shape. they may not be shredded but they are certainly not 30% bf

    Also unless you have had experience or know someone who does with regards to training at 40+ years of age to not gaining muscle and getting fat then its kinda pointless guessing he wont be able to do it when he really hasn't tried yet

    Also if im wrong, please show me definitive proof of someone using gear getting into shape much faster than someone not using gear, Bearing in mind youre gonna have to find a set of identical twins with different levels of fitness to get a proper result, and lets face it i dont see that happening anytime soon

    anyway im sure ive pissed a few people off i here with my views so im gonna leave this discussion for now
    post edited by theiopener - 2008/05/22 15:24:36
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    RE: Steriods 2008/05/22 15:24:39 (permalink)
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    At 51 however it'll take him much longer to reach those end goals, than say a lad in his 20's.

    Window, i'd decide whether you want to bulk up and then lose fat, or to lose fat now. If you just want to lose weight then steroids are probably not for you. After 3 years of training a light test course will do wonders though.

    If you do decide to take test, 500mg a week would be a nice bulking dose. Split into 2 x 250mg injections, 23g pins in the glute/quad would be your best bet. Depending on your size glute shots can be akward, its much easier if someone else (wife?) can do them for you.

    Test E is fine, and is the test i'd choose out of choice.

    Do you have thoughts on PCT, or AI meds?
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