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2015/02/12 09:48:46 (permalink)
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Steroids and others which improve ligament and tendon healing?

Alright guys, first post Ive got some tendonitus in my elbow which has persisted for 5 months now. Rested it for a month before Christmas, and going to rest it for 8 to 10 weeks now, while I have physio.
 
Im also taking all the joint/ligament supplements under the sun! Glucosamine, chondroitin, msm, collagen, cissus and cod liver oil.
 
Ive read that a few steroids are beneficial for ligaments and tendons, rather than bad for them (like excess testosterone doses and winny is said to be). Deca, equipoise, primo and Var seem to be the ones recommended.
 
Whats your experience on this and is there a particular steroid youd recommend to help speed up ligament and tendon healing?
 
Its been a long time since Ive done a cycle of steroids, but Ive done 5 in the past, moderate doses and been training for 10 years.
 
My plan was to run a maintenance dose of test, 100mg per week + a small dose of a recommended steroid, 100 to 200mg of that. Im not looking for gains just to speed healing.
 
I cant afford GH at the moment and havent used it before, but would consider using that in future when cash allows. It will be 7 or 8 months before I can afford GH though and hope the elbows settled down long before that !!
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Re: Steroids and others which improve ligament and tendon healing? 2015/02/12 10:23:58 (permalink)
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Hi Welcome to MT.
To the best of my knowledge AAS are not going to help with tendons or ligaments.
Deca can give temporary relieve but this will disappear when you cycle off. There was a scientific study carried out in the 80`s but it was far from conclusive. 
Your best bet is using HGH or a combination of HGH and HGH releasing Peptides (GHRP and ModGRF(1-29)
Thymosin/TB500 can also help with inflammation but is not a miracle worker and is not particularly cheap. 
Unfortunately tendons are slow to heal due to the poor blood supply when compared to muscle tissue.
 
So save your money and buy some legit HGH or peptides IMO 
 
post edited by Dumbat - 2015/02/12 10:25:26

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Re: Steroids and others which improve ligament and tendon healing? 2015/02/12 14:04:21 (permalink)
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Tendinitis must be one of those top misspelled words lol
 
I've never seen any evidence of steroids healing connective tissue, and what people say in forums about deca, primo, eq and anavar is pure broscience far as I can tell, I have never been able to find a source for those claims and I've looked pretty hard. Someone just regurgitated that bs on a forum once and people parrot it around.
 
Winny is actually known to promote collagen synthesis very effectively, but it doesn't actually translate into healthy, pain-free joints at all.
 
That said if your problem is just stubborn inflammation (sometimes there isn't much damage behind it at all, but our bodies still produce an exaggerated and crippling inflammatory response), nandrolone will help, it is well known for the anti-inflammatory effect (but unlike most anti-inflammatory drugs it's not catabolic, quite the opposite in fact).
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Re: Steroids and others which improve ligament and tendon healing? 2015/02/12 14:26:23 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/02/15 13:51:38
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Without going off topic winstrol for me cripples the joints......
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Re: Steroids and others which improve ligament and tendon healing? 2015/02/12 15:53:29 (permalink)
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Winstrol has been shown to encourage collagen synthesis but the type of collagen it promotes is less dense, similar to the tendon mass that will naturally form soon after injury, an "emergency fix" if you like.
Time is then needed for your body to reform this into the more dense type. I cant remember the exact terms but there are something like three (?) types of collagen that make up tendon and ligament tissue mass.
So yes Winstrol can help but one then needs to carry on with low stress training to allow time for the body to reform the tendon into the stronger structure.  
Winstrol use was one of the main reasons for tendon injury in Baseball and similar sports some time ago before HGH became more readily available.
If its mainly an inflammation issue then as Uriel states Nandrolone can help and I would also look at Thymosin/TB500 if you can source legit . 
I also concur with Kompany on the joints comment .

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Re: Steroids and others which improve ligament and tendon healing? 2015/02/12 17:28:39 (permalink)
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Cheers for the replies and welcome everyone. HGH is interesting and is it as good as its reputation for healing up ligaments and tendons? It has a rep of a bit of a miracle worker for rehab and also maintaining healthy connective tissue. I like the broscience term btw!
 
What happens to your own HGH production after you stop a course of growth? Im well versed on PCT for steroids and there effect on the HPTA but dont know how and when your bodies own GH production bounces back after using HGH.
 
What do you think about asking for an MRI of my elbow to see if there's underlying damage or should I just rely on my physios opinion? The stubborn inflammation thing is interesting because putting Deep Heat on the area just once settles it down for a few days, but the elbow is crunching on lock out, which isnt something it did before I injured it.
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Re: Steroids and others which improve ligament and tendon healing? 2015/02/12 17:28:39 (permalink)
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Double posted but will add winny dried out my joints to the one time I used it. The Zambon injectables, so I didnt use it again after that, didnt want to use something which could shorten my training career.
post edited by Evans2014 - 2015/02/12 17:32:11
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Re: 2015/02/13 07:59:48 (permalink)
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I had chronic tendinitis until I used deca, it literally cleared it up in 5/6 weeks I'd highly recommended it. Its not returned after my cycle either.

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Re: 2015/02/13 10:18:39 (permalink)
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I am not qualified to advice on how to get a correct diagnosis you will need to ask your doctor what he thinks about getting it scanned.
As for the Thymosin/TB500 2mg Every three days is the minimum that I would recommend as an effective protocol.
I cant see you having problems when stopping the HGH if you are running it for 3 months or so. 
I would advise caution and still recommend low stress training when rehabilitating the injury as Nandrolone will disguise the discomfort but will not prevent any further damage.
It is easy to feel that things have healed and then do further damage , setting things back even more.

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Re: 2015/02/13 11:10:18 (permalink)
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thegrimreaper thats very good to hear
 
dumbat I'll look into the Thymosin/TB500, have you used it yourself? How long would you use that protocol for? Any side effects? Yeah youre right about diagnosing, Ill leave that to the doctor. Same with deca disguising a problem as basically an anti-inflammatory or painkiller. If I use any of the above meds, Ill be resting my elbow the whole time except for physio exercises
 
Will research further on HGH, its interesting stuff
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Re: 2015/02/13 11:46:24 (permalink)
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Not personally but I have a lot of friends who have,it can work well in conjunction with a good rehab protocol.
I would recommend using it for a month, longer if you can afford it.
Its action is systemic and it enables the tissue fibres to heal in alignment.
It can also be micro-dosed directly around the site of injury. This entails injecting 1 mg split into 10 injections around the site two to three times a week.
I have used micro dosing with MGF to help with  an ankle injury, it isn`t that difficult to do.
Just load the insulin syringe with 1 mg/1ml of solution and use the same syringe for the ten injections.
This is quite painless if you use a good quality syringe, I have found  Beckton and Dickinson syringes to be the best , the needles stay sharper for longer thus reducing discomfort.
Be careful you don`t want to be injecting directly into the tendon itself.
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Re: 2015/02/13 18:02:50 (permalink)
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Mine was bad on and off for years, Went to the doc and got cortisol injection and that helped, Deca is good to.

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Re: 2015/02/14 22:31:31 (permalink)
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i had tennis elbow for a long while, years ago! at the time i tried some superdrol for 3 weeks.
 
i have never had tennis elbow since.
 
take from that what you will 
 
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another thing, i now have rotary cuff problems (tendinitis in both shoulders). i tried anavar for 100mg a day, didnt feel any shoulder problems while on, came off and it was worse. 
post edited by powerpusher - 2015/02/14 23:02:36



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Re: 2015/02/15 01:46:17 (permalink)
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dexamethasone works fantastic for me(7 knee scopes and shoulder reconstruction) and is pretty inexpensive and easy to come by in injectable form which works best
 
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Re: 2015/02/15 13:15:05 (permalink)
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dexamethasone works fantastic for me(7 knee scopes and shoulder reconstruction) and is pretty inexpensive and easy to come by in injectable form which works best
 




What doses did you use and for how long ? 

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Re: 2015/02/15 13:52:45 (permalink)
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Celadrin, works wonders for me, really improved shoulder and knee to the point I don't feel them anymore, not often anyway.
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Re: 2015/02/15 13:56:38 (permalink)
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simonboyle
Celadrin, works wonders for me, really improved shoulder and knee to the point I don't feel them anymore, not often anyway.


Any particular brands that you would recommend Simon ?

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Re: 2015/02/15 18:27:34 (permalink)
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Celadrin, works wonders for me, really improved shoulder and knee to the point I don't feel them anymore, not often anyway.


Any particular brands that you would recommend Simon ?


only used the now foods cream, love it.
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Re: 2015/02/16 15:44:11 (permalink)
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^^^ Cheers 
 

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Re: 2015/02/17 18:11:18 (permalink)
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I used 4-8mg every day for 6 weeks to help extreme joint pain. it started to work the first 24 hours. Now I just use 4mg on occation for 2 to 3 days in a row when hurting and still does wonders.  Also got nice effects from injectable glucosamine
 
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