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2011/03/25 19:32:07 (permalink)
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Steroids messing with my head

Worse than any physical side effect imo
Since I've started taking them if im being honest i train half assed when im not on, and i just count down the days til i can get back on again. i look forward to injcetions and get a sort of high after injections its weird. its also like when i see a rly good body im like i will look like that after this next cycle so its ok
im on right now and i feel amazing, only 1 week but i feel harder bigger more confident.
i cant see myself ever giving them up but i want to get to a point when i am big enough and i can stop using. also every cycle i have done has been stronger and longer than previous ones
 
does everyone get this? how can i stop it?
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    silent rep
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/25 19:59:56 (permalink)
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    Training and using gear is just one part of your life,
    you just need to look at the bigger picture.
    It's real easy to become obsessed if you have an
    addictive personality(which i have)and you
    need to acceept that.
    Having goals is not a bad thing but if it takes over
    your whole life then you need to reassess why
    you're taking the gear in the first place.
     
    I can totally understand where you're coming
    from,but there are more important things in your
    life and you'll need to realise that.
     
    Only you can make that call.
     
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/25 20:27:43 (permalink)
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    ^^^^^ great advice, well said
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/25 20:35:46 (permalink)
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    i have the same problem, i ask myself if being the biggest guy in the graveyard is what i want.. and i know its not but i still cant stop.
     
    Something i also hope i can overcome in time...

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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/25 20:38:08 (permalink)
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    I'll give you 5 stars SR lol
    Steroids are addictive nobody likes coming off and everybody counts down the days to get back on.
    Tbh I never come off now as I'm on trt so basically I'm always on happy days
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/26 00:47:40 (permalink)
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    cumon just remember what u said 2 urself on ure first cycle!! dont become addicted its steroid abuse which kills and gives STEROIDS A BAD NAME
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/26 03:45:18 (permalink)
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    I'm the same mate and fully understand...

    I cant go out and have a few pints, it's 80-100 units.

    I cant go out and have a few lines, it's 7 or 8 gram.

    I cant kip on 1 valium, it's 5-10,20.... it's nt ****ing right.

    I smoke 20-30  fags a day. It's a massive problem.

    It's a personality disorder and all you can do it keep a lid on it.

    Look at the harm your causing to yourself and others around you and t helps you to limit the damage.

    I'm fvcked personally.,.. this is an honest post because i'm absolutely hammered but keep a fvcking lid on it for your sake and for the sake of the people around you,

    AAS isnt all that bad comapred to some other 'hobbies' but it isnt without it's drawbacks and potential problems.... Switch on and consider everything with in great detail before you fvck something up.

    I wish i'd have woken up to that fact earlier.


    I sound like a right fanny don't i but i've lived through it mate... switch on, think it through. It's not a trivial matter.
    post edited by Doink - 2011/03/26 03:47:44
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/26 04:25:19 (permalink)
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    Simples

    Worse than any physical side effect imo
    Since I've started taking them if im being honest i train half assed when im not on, and i just count down the days til i can get back on again. i look forward to injcetions and get a sort of high after injections its weird. its also like when i see a rly good body im like i will look like that after this next cycle so its ok
    im on right now and i feel amazing, only 1 week but i feel harder bigger more confident.
    i cant see myself ever giving them up but i want to get to a point when i am big enough and i can stop using. also every cycle i have done has been stronger and longer than previous ones

    does everyone get this? how can i stop it?

    Enjoy it when you're on, if you can't train and don't enjoy when you are off then you have to ask if the gym and this lfestyle is for you. 
     
    Personally my biggest problem is that I cant be "normal". I.e tomorrow I have to eat 5 meals containing "x" amounts of fats carbs and proteins. When I do I grow and look and feel great IN THE GYM. Home is another matter as I don't socialise, I don't relax and have a drink and enjoy others company so I tend to hammer the gym like above for 3/4 weeks then go through the motions for a similar time, then I want to come off to see how I recover. Then I have a crackin workout and become focussed and grow, then I think that a cut is on the cards as I "feel" fat. So I cut and half walf through it and loats of fat later I quit as I "feel" small.
     
    repeat
    eat, wake, train, survive, sleep
    repeat.
     
    This is my life just now and I plan on april andf may being the last of it, then a taper, long pct and off until jan 2012......... watch this space
     
    all the best mate, just keep things in perspective :)

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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/26 09:05:25 (permalink)
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    silent rep

     
    Training and using gear is just one part of your life,
    you just need to look at the bigger picture.
    It's real easy to become obsessed if you have an
    addictive personality(which i have)and you
    need to acceept that.
    Having goals is not a bad thing but if it takes over
    your whole life then you need to reassess why
    you're taking the gear in the first place.

    I can totally understand where you're coming
    from,but there are more important things in your
    life and you'll need to realise that.

    Only you can make that call.

    Rep.

    Quality balanced advice as always...
     
    potential ass users this is a very honest thread and packs a powerful message...
     
    food for thought me thinks..
     
    tc  
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/26 10:01:45 (permalink)
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    this should be made a sticky for all those young starters wanting to put grams of the stuff in them, cracking thread imo

    "he who controls others might be powerfull, but he who has mastered himself is mighter still" - Lao Tzu
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/26 17:49:49 (permalink)
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    I think it is the main and most dangerous side of AAS. Here is a post i wrote god knows how long ago which i have copied and pasted below which may assist in your research and what worked for me
     
    Physiological Side Effects of AS & CBT

    There are many side effects of AS some of which you may have realised some of which you may never. This discussion point / information is not to scare you but to offer advice.
    Men taking anabolic steroids run the risk of changes in sexual characteristics as well as changes in reproductive functioning. The following may also be experienced:
    a. baldness
    b. difficulty urinating
    c. enlarged prostate
    d. breast development
    e. reduced sperm count
    f. impotence
    g. testicular shrinkage
    Women who abuse anabolic steroids may also experience negative effects which can include:
    a. facial hair growth
    b. changes in or absence of menstrual periods
    c. breast reduction
    d. deepened tone of voice
    e. clitoral enlargement
    Side effects which may be common in both sexes include:
    a. swollen feet and ankles
    b. acne
    c. jaundice
    d. trembling
    e.liver damage
    f. halitosis
    g. high blood pressure
    h. various cancers
    i. aching joints and increased joint injuries
    j. reduction in HDL cholesterol

    But what is not discussed is the possible physiological issues. We have all heard of roid rage but with more and more research being conducted this is the official stance:
    Administration of AS may affect behavior. Increased testosterone levels in the blood are associated with masculine behavior, aggressiveness and increased sexual desire. Increased aggressiveness may be beneficial for athletic training, but may also lead to overt violence outside the gym or the track. There are reports of violent, criminal behavior in individuals taking AS. Other side effects of AS are euphoria, confusion, sleeping disorders, pathological anxiety, paranoia, and hallucinations.
    Anabolic steroid users may become dependent on the drug, with symptoms of withdrawal after cessation of drug use. The withdrawal symptoms consist of aggressive and violent behavior, mental depression with suicidal behavior, mood changes, and in some cases acute psychosis. At present it is unknown which individuals are particularly at risk. It is likely that great individual differences in responsiveness may exist. Some individuals try to minimize the withdrawal affects by administration of human choriogonadotropins (hcg), in order to enhance endogenous  testosterone production. However, it is unknown in how far the hcg administration is successful in ameliorating the withdrawal effects.

    I will not say I agree with all the comments above but evidence does show that long term AS can cause distorted thinking (i.e. depression, anxiety etc). There is however a therapy being used by many athletes (due IMHO to increased usage of AS) it is called:
    Cognitive-Behavioral Therapy.(CBT)

    CBT is a form of psychotherapy that emphasizes the important role of thinking in how we feel and what we do. Cognitive-behavioral therapist teach that when our brains are healthy, it is our thinking that causes us to feel and act the way we do. Therefore, if we are experiencing unwanted feelings and behaviors, it is important to identify the thinking that is causing the feelings / behaviors and to learn how to replace this thinking with thoughts that lead to more desirable reactions.

    There are several approaches to cognitive-behavioral therapy, including Rational Emotive Behavior Therapy, Rational Behavior Therapy, Rational Living Therapy, Cognitive Therapy, and Dialectic Behavior Therapy.

    However, most cognitive-behavioral therapies have the following characteristics:

    1. CBT is based on the Cognitive Model of Emotional Response.
    Cognitive-behavioral therapy is based on the scientific fact that our thoughts
    cause our feels and behaviors, not external things, like people, situations, and
    events. The benefit of this fact is that we can change the way we think to
    feel / act better even if the situation has not changed. .
    3. A sound therapeutic relationship is necessary for effective therapy, but
    not the focus.
    Some forms of therapy assume that the main reason people get better in
    therapy is because of the positive relationship between the therapist and
    client. Cognitive-behavioral therapists believe it is important to have a good,
    trusting relationship, but that is not enough. CBT therapists believe that the
    client changes when they learn to think differently; therefore, CBT therapists
    focus on teaching rational self-counseling skills.
    4. CBT is a collaborative effort between the therapist and the client.
    Cognitive-behavioral therapist seek to learn what their clients want out of life
    (their goals) and then help their clients achieve those goals. The therapist's
    role is to listen, teach, and encourage, while the client's roles is to speak,
    learn, and implement what they learn.
    5. CBT is based on stoic philosophy.
    Cognitive-behavioral therapy does not tell people how to feel. However, most
    people seeking therapy do not want to feel they way they do. CBT teaches
    the benefits of feeling, at worst, calm when confronted with undesirable
    situations. It also emphasizes the fact that we have our undesirable situations
    whether we are upset about them or not. If we are upset about our problems,
    we have two problems -- the problem, and our upset about it. Most sane
    people want to have the fewest number of problems possible.

    6. CBT uses the Socratic Method.
    Cognitive-behavioral therapists want to gain a very good understanding of
    their clients concerns. That's why they often ask questions. They also
    encourage their clients to ask questions of themselves, like, "How do I
    really know that those people are laughing at me?" "Could they be laughing
    about something else?"

    7. CBT is structured and directive.
    Cognitive-behavioral therapists have a specific agenda for each session.
    Specific techniques / concepts are taught during each session. CBT
    focuses on helping the client achieve the goals they have set. CBT is
    directive in that respect. However, CBT therapists do not tell their clients
    what to do -- rather, they teach their clients how to do.

    8. CBT is based on an educational model.
    CBT is based on the scientifically supported assumption that most emotional
    and behavioral reactions are learned. Therefore, the goal of therapy is to
    help clients unlearn their unwanted reactions and to learn a new way of
    reacting. While CBT therapists do not present themselves as "know-it-alls",
    the assumption is that if clients knew what the therapist had to teach them,
    the clients would not have the emotional / behavioral problems they are
    experiencing.

    Therefore, CBT has nothing to do with "just talking". People can "just talk"
    with anyone.

    The educational emphasis of CBT has an additional benefit -- it leads to
    long term results. When people understand how and why they are doing
    well, they can continue doing what they are doing to make themselves well.

    9. CBT theory and techniques rely on the Inductive Method.
    A central aspect of Rational thinking is that it is based on fact, not simply
    our assumptions made. Often, we upset ourselves about things when, in
    fact, the situation isn't like we thought it was. Had we known that, we would
    not have wasted our time upsetting ourselves.

    Therefore, the inductive method encourages us to look at our thoughts as
    being hypotheses that can be questioned and tested. If we find that our
    hypotheses are incorrect (because we have new information), then we can
    change our thinking to be in line with how the situation really is.

    There are over 25 very common mental mistakes that people make that cause
    them to not have the facts straight.

    Hope you find this interesting

    References Used

    Harm Kuipers, M.D., Ph.D.
    Department of Physiology
    University of Limburg

    Kuipers, H. (1998). Anabolic steroids: side effects. In: Encyclopedia of Sports Medicine and Science, T.D.Fahey (Editor). Internet Society for Sport Science: http://sportsci.org. 7 March 1998.

    Wrongun!
    post edited by Wrongun - 2011/03/26 17:51:40
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/26 18:28:38 (permalink)
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    I found it very interesting,thanks Wg.
     
    I do admit though, i had to goggle "university of Limburg" as
    i had no idea where the **** Limburg was.
     
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    Re:Steroids messing with my head 2011/03/27 09:48:33 (permalink)
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    silent rep

     
    I found it very interesting,thanks Wg.

    I do admit though, i had to goggle "university of Limburg" as
    i had no idea where the **** Limburg was.

    Rep.

     
    LOL yep known only to a few LMFAO
     
    There has been so many more studies now (as with everything sports science moves so quick) but their initial findings does set the ground rules IMHO
     
    Wrongun!
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