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2009/07/18 15:13:41 (permalink)

Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please!

Hey all,
 
I'm new to this forum, but been training for the past 2 years.
 
Just got myself some Straight Drol by Black China Labs (Superdrol clone), which I will be starting in a weeks time.
 
I read the article on here about Superdrol, which gave me some great advice.
 
I am planning the following stack:
 
Wk 1 = 10mg sdrol p/d (per day)
            1000mg Milk Thistle p/d
            1200mg Red Yeast Rice p/d
            60mg CoQ10 p/d
            
I also supplement with flaxseed, taurine, and other vitamins.
 
Wk 2 - 4 =    20mg sdrol p/d (per day)
                    1000mg Milk Thistle p/d
                    1200mg Red Yeast Rice p/d
                    60mg CoQ10 p/d
 
Half way through week 4, I will start to use my PCT which is Novadex XT by Gaspari, so Pct will be going for 4 weeks and:
 
Novadex XT (2 per day for 2 weeks, dropping to 1 per day for the last 2 weeks.
1000mg Milk Thistle p/d
1200mg Red Yeast Rice p/d
60mg CoQ10 p/d
Tribulus
HMB (3 times per day)
 
I will be increasing calories (esp carbs), I will be increasing intake of EFA's, and increasing water intake too.
 
I am 6'1", 192lbs, 26yrs old, approx 10 - 11 % BF.
 
If any one has any experience of using this product, I would like to hear how you got on.
 
Thanks
 
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/18 17:22:11 (permalink)
    I only have limited knowledge of things but your PCT doesn't look good enough for SD. Most people will recomend a SERM for this compound. I'm sure more clued up people will help you put together a stronger PCT.
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/18 17:32:04 (permalink)
    Yep

    Imo you should have atleast have a serm on hand and also i would run

    either 20mf or  30mg of sd for the whole duration or if you wanna taper which i do not think is nexessary i would go with 20 mg for 1 week then up to 30mg


    you should start milk thistle 1-2 weeks prior
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/18 18:02:28 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies guys.... I must admit, I am a little wary of taking stuff like tamoxifen, clomid, nolvadex etc with the risk of prostate cancer, although I can completely understand the importance of them when running a cycle.

    Would you not think Novadex XT would be strong enough to use if any gyno appears?

    MDM - The only reason I was thinking of tapering, was because I've never used a PH before, so thought I'd see how I fare up with the 10mg for a week and then bump it up to 20mg. Do you not think it would be very effective at 10mg?
     
    I will be starting my supplement stack about 1 week prior to starting the cycle too... forgot to mention that above.
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/18 18:26:05 (permalink)
    you have nevr done a ph before and you are starting with sd?

    SD is not a PH it is a steroid - contrary to what your supplier may have said - a very strong one at that


    if you wanna run it dont bother with 10mg do like i said 20 or 30 mg through out - even though what your saying makes sense to you it does not matter - you will gain very little off 10mg dont bother

    novadex xt is a test booster i would run it along side the serm

    i would def not run this cycle with out a serm - if it were my first cycle- in fact i would not run any sterdoid cycle with out one
    read this

    http://www.muscletalk.c...rticle-otc-steroids.aspx
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/18 19:17:23 (permalink)
    Thanks for the link, very interesting.

    So, basically, I shouldn't use the Novadex xt (AI), and instead get a SERM (preferably Clomid) to use instead?

    When I say I have never done a PH before, I ran a Dianabol cycle about 5 years ago, but I was young and niave to what it was actually doing to my body, I wasn't training properly either, and needless to say, no PCT was used.. and I must admit I had no problems what-so-ever, but this time around I want to make sure I have all angles covered.
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/18 21:19:25 (permalink)
    Hi Skullcrusher,

    I agree with everything said before. U will need a SERM for sd, at least one on hand. If you have never tried PH/DS before how do u know your not prone to gyno.

    Have you thought about running H-Drol instead?

    Better to live one day as a Lion than 100 days as a chicken.
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/18 21:45:53 (permalink)
    Hi Allisalie,

    I've already boughth the Sdrol and Novadex XT.... So do you think my stack will be ok as long as I get a SERM to  keep on hand?? Where do u guys buy ur SERMS from??
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/18 22:27:09 (permalink)
    Skullcrusher
    Where do u guys buy ur SERMS from??


    ahem.. doubt you'll get too many responses to this question! They're prescription only meds mate, you will need a source.
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/19 12:21:09 (permalink)
    Ah.. ok, just that I've heard of ppl getting SERMs from research Chems or something?? is this a bad idea? I'm a little wary to say the least with buying anything like that off t'internet!

    So, just to clarify guys... Do you think the above stack would suffice providing I can get a SERM to keep on hand?

    Cheers.
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/19 12:30:10 (permalink)
    Yes. Would be a very productive cycle if you get enough protein/carbs in. gl

    Better to live one day as a Lion than 100 days as a chicken.
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/19 12:50:03 (permalink)
    Thanks dude. Yeah, my diet is clean (it's something I really make an effort with), so gonna add plenty more low GI carbs, and increase protein intake.

    I think the more you read about PH's/Designer Steroids, just makes you really paranoid about potential sides, regardless of your PCT protocol!

    Thanks for all the replies anyway, and if any one has anything to add please do.

    I'll log my my progress on here and let you know how I get on.

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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/20 19:36:37 (permalink)
    Right guys... I've got a source for my Nolva (Tamoxifen), so alongside everything else I'm hoping this will secure me against any nasty sides

    As mentioned above, I will be running a 3 week cycle of SD at 20mg ED.
    Also, would it be wise to run my AI (Novadex XT) alongside Nolva, or should I just use the one?

    I've heard a lot of sh*t about delayed gyno on SD, which I've got 2 admit, is really worrying me! Is there anything any one can reccomend to reduce the chances of this? Alot of ppl are saying Clomid used as PCT will be best to stop this, but with all the nasty sides of Clomid, and the fact that I've just managed to get Nolva, doesn't really make this possible for me.

    I wanna  make sure I've got all angles covered here, I've also got some Trib, Creatine, and HMB to add to the PCT.

    What are your thoughts guys?
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/20 19:56:18 (permalink)
    the chances of delayed gyno are very small.

    Clomid does not have nasty sides for everyone.  I for one get along better with clomid than nolva.

    If you're really worried then use a small dose of nolva (20mg) alongside the novedex XT as your PCT
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/20 20:25:30 (permalink)
    Yeah, I think I'm maybe reading too much into the hype...
     
    What do you think to the theory of using an AI in your PCT can cause delayed gyno?
    I have the Nolva, and the Novadex XT, but I am wary of running an AI because of what I've heard?
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/20 23:43:58 (permalink)
    The delayed gyno from SD has been linked to both the use of ATD and Nolva.

    It just so happens that they were the two most common PCT solutions at the time (and probably still are).  It could therefore, be a coincidence based on mere probability.

    The chance of developing gyno from SD is small so there really is no need for concern.  It comes as part of the parcel with all exogenous hormones
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/21 09:42:41 (permalink)
    Thanks Daari, appreciate your help.

    Do you think it would benefit me to take the Nolva as the PCT alongside the supplement stack, and then the Novadex XT after PCT?

    Also, do I take the 1000mg milk thistle, 1200mg RYR all at once? or spread it throughout the day?



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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/21 14:32:45 (permalink)
    I would take the nolva and novedex during PCT, but the nolva alone will most likely suffice.

    You can take the MT and RYR all at once if you want
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    Re:Straight Drol by Black China Labs - Advice on stack please! 2009/07/22 09:06:13 (permalink)
    Sounds good. Just want to make sure I have everything nailed before I start my cycle.

    I've ordered some Milk Thistle which is 500mg per capsule, but I have just found out that it is not standerdised to 80% sylimarin.

    It didn't say on the packet, but seeing as I have already ordered them, do you think they will be ok to use?
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