YB
BannerBanner

Super shake - Genics style!!

Page: 12 > Showing page 1 of 2
Author
Baywatch
Pro-Member
  • Total Posts : 7689
  • Reward points: 7605
  • Joined: 2004/02/15 19:18:00
  • Location: UK
  • Status: offline
2005/07/27 16:49:37 (permalink)

Super shake - Genics style!!

Okay, As of recently I have been really struggling to get in excess of 3k calories down me, so Genics suggested this as a super shake..

50g Whey
100g Maltodextrin
1 Litre Milk

Comes to

1060 Calories
73g Protein
144g Carbs
16g Fat

QUite high in fat but not really concerned as I am bulking..

What you think of that? Any other suggestions to raise the calorie count?

#1

22 Replies Related Threads

    USA DEALS
    smiddy
    Olympian Member
    • Total Posts : 492
    • Reward points: 3634
    • Joined: 2003/08/27 20:25:39
    • Location: Scotland
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:16:36 (permalink)
    Well Maltodextrin is not my preferred choice of Carb!

    As it is the Highest GI no. it will increase your insulin which will make your body storge most of the excess calories as fat yada yada yada, iam sure you have heard all of this before!

    here is a post i make up ages ago with some shake ideas
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_22487/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm#627663

    If this doesn't help then
    i'll mix 50g protein powder (200 calories)
    with 100g oats (350 calories)
    1 litre semi-skimmed milk (480 calories)

    totals: protein 84g
    carbs 110g
    fat 24g
    calorie totals : 992 calories

    The Carbs are health complex oats which the fat is very low in saturates and contains vital fiber!

    Bung the protein, oats and milk in a blender and mix away, it doesn't look the nice but taste lovely!
    #2
    Baywatch
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 7689
    • Reward points: 7605
    • Joined: 2004/02/15 19:18:00
    • Location: UK
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:19:08 (permalink)
    Nope, Im a total newbie to all this diet malarkey!!

    SO whats the advantage of malto if im going to store the excess as fat? Not what I want!
    #3
    DC77
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 3514
    • Reward points: 10834
    • Joined: 2003/12/20 17:28:21
    • Location: Liverpool, United Kingdom
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:20:13 (permalink)
    Maybe add some natural peanut butter for added fats and calories
    #4
    ToxicToffee
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 43663
    • Reward points: 2778
    • Joined: 2004/10/28 09:38:01
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:21:51 (permalink)
    #5
    Baywatch
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 7689
    • Reward points: 7605
    • Joined: 2004/02/15 19:18:00
    • Location: UK
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:23:46 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: ToxicToffee

    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/New_article%3A_Mass_Gaining_%2D_Toxic_Style%21/m_618307/tm.htm

    leave genics to the gear recomendations
    leave genics to the gear recomendations


    Hell no, He'd have me on stupid amounts!!! Thanks for the link, I'll have a gander now
    #6
    smiddy
    Olympian Member
    • Total Posts : 492
    • Reward points: 3634
    • Joined: 2003/08/27 20:25:39
    • Location: Scotland
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:42:47 (permalink)
    Malto has the highest GI of all food. Basically the Higher the GI no. the food is the quicker the carb breaks down into suger/glucose so the quicker the body has to burn it or it will be stored as fat! So the Higher the GI the worst it is for you in terms of decreased fat storage, not only that is also increases your insulin levels which again is bad for you as that increases fat storage.

    All Carb's get broken down in the body to glucose. Complex carbs are harder to break down then simple carbs(sugar) so the more complex the better because the body has a longer time to burn the carbs off so there is less carbs left to store as fat. So this is why malto is BAD, EVEN THOUGH it is regarded as a complex carbs it has a HIGH GI, so avoid it! Most supplement manufactures and diet food's use malto as a carb to bulk it out, reflex supplements and use oats in there weight gainers which is better for you than malto.

    i hope i am making sense!

    So look for low GI complex carbs like oats and wholegrain foods to add to your diet! the best post workout food i have found to be is a banana and protein shake, not only is the banana stacked with sugar(fructose) but it has vitamins and minerals too - better than dextrose IMO

    so add oats to your shake not malto
    #7
    Baywatch
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 7689
    • Reward points: 7605
    • Joined: 2004/02/15 19:18:00
    • Location: UK
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:49:00 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: smiddy

    Malto has the highest GI of all food. Basically the Higher the GI no. the food is the quicker the carb breaks down into suger/glucose so the quicker the body has to burn it or it will be stored as fat! So the Higher the GI the worst it is for you in terms of decreased fat storage, not only that is also increases your insulin levels which again is bad for you as that increases fat storage.

    All Carb's get broken down in the body to glucose. Complex carbs are harder to break down then simple carbs(sugar) so the more complex the better because the body has a longer time to burn the carbs off so there is less carbs left to store as fat. So this is why malto is BAD, EVEN THOUGH it is regarded as a complex carbs it has a HIGH GI, so avoid it! Most supplement manufactures and diet food's use malto as a carb to bulk it out, reflex supplements and use oats in there weight gainers which is better for you than malto.

    i hope i am making sense!

    So look for low GI complex carbs like oats and wholegrain foods to add to your diet! the best post workout food i have found to be is a banana and protein shake, not only is the banana stacked with sugar(fructose) but it has vitamins and minerals too - better than dextrose IMO

    so add oats to your shake not malto
    for low GI complex carbs like oats and wholegrain foods to add to your diet! the best post workout food i have found to be is a banana and protein shake, not only is the banana stacked with sugar(fructose) but it has vitamins and minerals too - better than dextrose IMO


    Thanks for that, normal porridge oats okay?
    #8
    JohnOvManchester
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 13467
    • Reward points: 10748
    • Joined: 2003/03/31 01:17:14
    • Location: Manchester, UK
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:49:42 (permalink)
    Depend on your energy expenditure.
    I wouldn't have that shake all in one go, maybe split it?

    Lets say your on 3500 cals a day to maintain weight.
    Then every hour you have 290 ish cals (depending on what your doing at the time.
    So to cover 2 hours would mean 580 cals.
    Add a some more to put you into calorie excess say 80 cals.
    Then the shake should be 660 cals MAX.
    660 would mean that your in an environment where muscle can be built but your will still add a slight amount of fat which is to be accepted within reason.

    Anything over 660 will mean your gaining exessive fat for no real reason.

    #9
    Syk0
    Universe Member
    • Total Posts : 343
    • Reward points: 3568
    • Joined: 2003/09/29 14:40:29
    • Location: United Kingdom
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:53:20 (permalink)
    I tell ye my super shake recipe:

    200g oats
    1 serving usn protein blend
    400ml skim milk
    250g tub quark
    40g flax seeds

    1425 cals per shake
    #10
    smiddy
    Olympian Member
    • Total Posts : 492
    • Reward points: 3634
    • Joined: 2003/08/27 20:25:39
    • Location: Scotland
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:53:27 (permalink)
    yup pure poridge oats are perfect tesco sales bags of them 1kg bags duck cheap and they are the same stuff as the branded oats
    #11
    Genics
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 5961
    • Reward points: 7520
    • Joined: 2004/02/24 01:21:38
    • Location: Bondi Beach, Sydney
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:55:47 (permalink)
    john, it aint about maintaining tho, crhis is obvisouly looking to bulk up, he is also on gear. so the more calories the better.

    "He who dies biggest, WINS!"- MonstaDwarf


    #12
    ToxicToffee
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 43663
    • Reward points: 2778
    • Joined: 2004/10/28 09:38:01
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:57:18 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: Genics

    john, it aint about maintaining tho, crhis is obvisouly looking to bulk up, he is also on gear. so the more calories the better.


    yep

    hence the link to the diet above
    #13
    JohnOvManchester
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 13467
    • Reward points: 10748
    • Joined: 2003/03/31 01:17:14
    • Location: Manchester, UK
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 17:59:53 (permalink)
    mate, re-read what I put.
    I added cals for bulking...
    Lets say your on 3500 cals a day to maintain weight.
    Then every hour you have 290 ish cals (depending on what your doing at the time.
    So to cover 2 hours would mean 580 cals.
    Add a some more to put you into calorie excess say 80 cals.
    Then the shake should be 660 cals MAX.
    660 would mean that your in an environment where muscle can be built but your will still add a slight amount of fat which is to be accepted within reason.

    Anything over 660 will mean your gaining exessive fat for no real reason.

    the more cals the fatter, not the better mate, I hate to say it but your deffinatly wrong on this one.
    You only need to be in calorie exess, and ater that you only need enough extra to build the muscle any more will just make you fat.
    #14
    Genics
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 5961
    • Reward points: 7520
    • Joined: 2004/02/24 01:21:38
    • Location: Bondi Beach, Sydney
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 18:00:09 (permalink)
    i dunno about chirs, but i know for myself i wouldnt grow at all on only 3500cals. im starting to think my body needs a good 5000 calories to grow.

    "He who dies biggest, WINS!"- MonstaDwarf


    #15
    JohnOvManchester
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 13467
    • Reward points: 10748
    • Joined: 2003/03/31 01:17:14
    • Location: Manchester, UK
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 18:08:13 (permalink)
    It's based on 3500 for maintenance!!!
    And the figures I suggested about go OVER that... read the bit in red.
    That would put you on an equivilant of 4000 cals which would be gaining if your maintenance of 3500.

    Being on AAS doesn't mean you have to get fat to gain, same rules almost apply, you can take in more protein etc.

    Your shake would be acceptable if you bulked off 6500 ish cals, which I doubt anyone apart from 20 stone monsters do.
    Trust me mate.

    If you need 5000 cals to grow then a shake of about 800cals would be Maximum without excessive un-needed fat gain.


    ^^^^ ALL IN MY HUMBLE OPINION ^^^^^
    #16
    Genics
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 5961
    • Reward points: 7520
    • Joined: 2004/02/24 01:21:38
    • Location: Bondi Beach, Sydney
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 18:12:04 (permalink)
    ill keep that in mind mate. i ussualy had them with water anyway, giving only 600cals. towards end of last cycle was using whole milk just to pack as many calories as humanly possible.

    "He who dies biggest, WINS!"- MonstaDwarf


    #17
    Massimo
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 2129
    • Reward points: 2384
    • Joined: 2005/05/13 20:42:13
    • Location: On a Doomed Airliner:-( Drinks are now 1/2Price:-)
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 18:19:34 (permalink)
    adding calories is easy. Just add liquid fat to shakes. Olive, nut, and grapeseed oils for example.
    #18
    smiddy
    Olympian Member
    • Total Posts : 492
    • Reward points: 3634
    • Joined: 2003/08/27 20:25:39
    • Location: Scotland
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 18:25:51 (permalink)
    liquid fat yummmmmmmm!!!!
    #19
    Massimo
    Pro-Member
    • Total Posts : 2129
    • Reward points: 2384
    • Joined: 2005/05/13 20:42:13
    • Location: On a Doomed Airliner:-( Drinks are now 1/2Price:-)
    • Status: offline
    RE: Super shake - Genics style!! 2005/07/27 19:24:59 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: smiddy

    liquid fat yummmmmmmm!!!!


    Excellent contribution, well done.
    #20
    Page: 12 > Showing page 1 of 2
    Jump to:
    ©2017 All content is copyright of MuscleTalk.co.uk and its use elsewhere is prohibited.
    (posting guidelines | privacy | advertise | earnings disclaimer | contact us | supported by)
    © 2017 APG vNext Commercial Version 5.5