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2018/07/12 09:09:59 (permalink)
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T3 and Test Advice needed.

 
Hi All,
Firstly, thanks to all the contributions on here I have learnt a great deal....
 
I am just about to start my first T3 cycle and despite hours of research and reading all 27 pages of the sticky post plus more I could really do with the reassurance that my proposal is OK given that it is not a substance to be taken lightly. 
 
I am 45 years old currently 185lb bf around 13% and am currently eating high protein low carb diet which puts me in a 600 cal deficit.  I weight train 3 times a week (full body routine) and do HIIT for cardio 2-3 times per week.  I have to date lost 80lbs naturally and have only ever done ECA and 3 cycles of 2wk on 2wk off clen, not touched AAS or T3.  Anyway I have hit a plateau and after plenty of research have decided that a T3 cycle may help me with the last push.
 
Anyway hours of reading tells me that Oral support is unlikely to prevent a catabolic state and what with liver toxicity, Cholestrol issues etc winny or similar doesnt seem to be the way to go so what I am thinking is:
 
The 8 week T3 cycle tapering up and down as in the sticky post.
500mg Test Enanth or Cyp each week for eight weeks.
Nolva and clomid for PCT.
 
I have not got all the components yet and I realise the importance of having enough to complete the cycle from the get go.
 
Anyway, my questions are:
 
Does this seem OK?
Would you add or change anything?
Should I start the Test from day 1?
Do i need Nolva during the cycle?
 
I have done my best to answer the many questions I had by reading rather than being lazy but I would appreciate any input as I am aware of the consequences of getting it wrong!
post edited by PartyBoy - 2018/07/12 11:02:51
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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/12 11:02:26 (permalink)
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    Welcome
     
    Yes, it sounds reasonable.
     
    Test would be started from day 1
    You could add an ECA (ephedrine/caffeine) type stack also
     
    Highly unlikely nolva will be required during the cycle, but have it on hand, as well as an AI such as arimidex to offer you protection if you happen to be extremely estrogen sensitive.
     
    PCT would require nolva or clomid starting a couple of weeks after your last shot.

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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/12 11:36:14 (permalink)
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    Thanks Partyboy, your input is much appreciated, is there anything I should add to this cycle as in Orals?
    The advice on here seems to be one substance for first cycle but I want to get the most from it.
     
    Thanks again.
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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/12 14:04:47 (permalink)
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    Just to clarify - I have identified a source is it allowed to contact a mod to see if they are aware of it being a good or bad source?  Dont want to break the rules 
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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/12 14:23:55 (permalink)
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    Just to clarify - I have identified a source is it allowed to contact a mod to see if they are aware of it being a good or bad source?  Dont want to break the rules 




    Sure you can, PB will give you an honest reply but if it's an online source then I doubt he will recommend it?

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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/12 14:43:48 (permalink)
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    OK - thanks for that, I'll ask him anyway, if he cant help I can only hope that my own research will pay off.
     
    Thanks again :)
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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/12 23:13:48 (permalink)
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    I've spent a few more hours reading and searching threads on here tonight, can anyone comment on whether adding dbol every day for first four weeks is worth doing or is that going to counteract the T3? 
     
    Cheers 😀
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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/13 05:40:24 (permalink)
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    Counteract in what way? Pharmacologically?
     
    No. They will both act in the manner as though they were used independantly. There is no direct contraindication.
     
    Whether you should add it is a different matter entirely.
     
    Firstly I'll lay it out there....In general I don't agree with steroid use during cutting/shedding fat phases for most folk.
    Of course, if you're already heavily muscular then there is a case for using anabolics during stressful calorie negative phases in an attempt to retain said muscle mass.
     
    You plan to use t3 which can be quite catabolic also, so ppl generally do employ anabolic support. But it's merely that what is the goal - support against loss. You shouldn't expect 'gains' as such, any derived should be considered a bonus. You plan to cut (judging by the T3), so your diet & cardio will be tailored to that goal. In that environment you body won't be happily synthesising protein and packing on sh1t loads of muscle.....steroids or no steroids. As said, any gains derived during cutting are just a bonus.....This (adding muscle) is not your goal. So taking on more steroids just seems wasteful and unnecessary health-wise.
     
    All this is beside the fact that you will hold water on dbol which will hinder cardio output.....& I would imagine cardio will be featuring strongly during a cutting phase (or at least it should be!)
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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/13 07:35:28 (permalink)
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    Thanks for taking the time to respond PB much appreciated. This is a cut and I’m
    Not attempting to make gains, the use of the test is only to mitigate any losses from the use of T3 given the higher output of cardio and calorie deficit.

    I just wondered if the dbol would offset any catabolism in the same way as the test. Given your comment about water retention and cardio I’ll skip it!

    Thanks again.
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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/16 16:11:59 (permalink)
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    i have nova and Arimidex, should I run the Arimidex for the whole cycle or start taking it if I get gynae symptoms? Prevention is better than cure or not so to speak.
     
    Cheers all
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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/16 17:25:01 (permalink)
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    You won't Adex on that cycle, use the Nolva if you have any gyno signs but tbh unless you're super Oestrogen sensitive you should be fine.

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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/17 09:06:06 (permalink)
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    Agree. Have to hand if you need it. You won't suddenly wake up sporting a cracking rack. You can act on warning signs (itchy/puffy/sensitive/lumpy nips) ...........(without being paranoid about just convincing yourself that you have a sign!)

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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/17 15:10:00 (permalink)
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    You don't need to taper t3. Its a myth and the article on here needs removing. This was discussed ages ago
     
    No nolva during cycle unless you gey itchy nipples or hard lumps that weren't there before. Don't get overly paranoid but don't assume its muscle either.
     
    @Partyboy I would not recommend adding ECA as decent T3 could increase your heart rate added with ephedrine (which won't be real unless you have serious contacts) and caffeine your heart rate could go through the roof. Just my opinion
     
    On the whole it looks ok
     
     

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    Re: T3 and Test Advice needed. 2018/07/18 11:03:16 (permalink)
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    I have done a lot of research on T3 before cycling it and I did find the info on tapering confusing, i.e. some people consider it vital and others (generally more recent opinions as you say) less important.
     
    I have posted some pics of my C4 T3 on the legitimate / fake thread but as yet no responses, I personally feel it is fake anyway.  Hopefully someone will comment.
     
    Cheers 
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