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2006/07/07 11:21:43 (permalink)
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TV documentary - Special Edition Films

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Dear All,

I’m writing from a British TV production company called Special Edition Films, and was hoping that some of you out there may be able to help me with my research.

Last year, we made the well-received documentary "Super Size She" about Joanna Thomas, the female body builder. In the film, it touched on the other types of work that Joanna does to make money to supplement the poorly paid industry. Fans pay a fee to log on to her website to see her photos, and engage in web cam and web chat sessions.

I am now looking at this aspect of the industry in UK and am looking to have informal and off the record chats with anyone who may know anything about this area or have extra income streams of a similar nature and the men who are into muscular and sculpted females

Due to the sensitive nature, confidentiality is assured.

Please feel free to e-mail me or call me on the details below,

I look forward to hearing from you, any information will be gratefully received as I am at the beginning of my research.

All the best

Danni
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Danni Davis
SPECIAL EDITION FILMS
Unit 10, Lancefield Studios
1A Beethoven Street
W10 4LG

danni@specialeditionfilms.com
T - +44 208 960 1446
F - +44 208 968 0582



post edited by dannid - 2006/07/07 14:15:52
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    kitty
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 11:22:34 (permalink)
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    Danni, this is not UK Muscle

    Would also be good to see some positivity protrayed on our sport. The general public have a bad enough opinion about us as it is thinking we all take steroids and those who do are potential murderers/wife beaters, now we have sleeze to the women's side of things

    I know none of our female members have ever gone to such lengths and I can't see them doing so either.
    post edited by kitty - 2006/07/07 11:27:54
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    dannid
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 11:58:09 (permalink)
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    "Danni, this is not UK Muscle"

    Sorry about that Kitty

    "Would also be good to see some positivity protrayed on our sport. The general public have a bad enough opinion about us as it is thinking we all take steroids and those who do are potential murderers/wife beaters, now we have sleeze to the women's side of things"

    I don't know if you saw Super Size She, and what you thought of of it, but it was very positively recieved by the general public in the sense that they knew nothing about the world of female body building before, and then saw the passion, dedication, single mindedness and commitment that goes into it. I'm not trying to find "sleaze", what I'm trying to do, via people who know a lot more than I, is to explore what may be going on in the background.

    "I know none of our female members have ever gone to such lengths and I can't see them doing so either"

    That is a fair comment and exactly what I am trying to find out through my research. Thanks very much for your posting.
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 12:05:58 (permalink)
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    The question has to be, Danni, and sorry for coming across negatively here, but in your research are you more likely to follow up the stories of those who work hard holding down a 'regular job' and carry on the lifestyle or will there be more interest in those with more 'extreme' choices - ever the sceptic I suspect those in media can push an item covering less savouray lifestyle choices to the general publics viewing via the powers that be, than the more normal behaviour.

    This is where much of the BBing communitiy's protective and hesitant stance comes from as this has been the case many a time in the past.
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 13:41:33 (permalink)
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    I'm with Kitty and DV. I make my living - at least as a main source of income - from the sport. My interest goes back to 1980 and I've seen the same 'out there' ideas and perceptions of the sport been given many times in the national and even local newspapers.

    Sure from time to time even FHM has promoted the sport (a great write up a few years back on Dorian). Then in Maxim we had to endure a strangly garbed Joe Weider with his arm drapped over the shoulder of Ken 'Flex' Wheeler.

    If a rapist did a single press-up or used a gym once many years ago he became reported as 'obssessed with keeping fit' and worse 'a bodybuilder'.

    No offence to the hard training Joanna making what money she can but she bitched about the lack of money in the sport (true) and little or no sponsorship (also true) for muscular women but then mentioned she earned $10,000 a month via her site and private posing. Even allowing for site running costs she is doing a lot better than the average person and a hell of a lot better than most here who work and train - male or female.

    That Joanna could be described as coming across well and 'selling' herself as a hard training athlete is in no doubt but she also poses for shmoes (men who like beefy women). This has been described as (in the main stream and even the muscle mags) and I quote 'prostitution'.

    Hardly a positive image. And not helped by the muscle women wrestling videos (back page ads in MMI and MD magazines) and occasional 'one to one' wrestling for cash. And that's without mentioning the guys doing the same for gay clients (ads in the same mags include 0898 type phone lines for such customers).

    Yet all of this is a tiny part of the sport - less than 1/2 a percent. The great and vast majority work hard, train just as hard and have to justify their 'obssession' to freinds and family. To then have some poxy documentary demean what we do by showing those that sell themselves in the ways described here just lowers the tone.

    So thanks but no thanks.

     
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 13:56:56 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: dannid

    "Danni, this is not UK Muscle"

    Sorry about that Kitty

    - even after I highlighted this to you in my email
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 14:45:38 (permalink)
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    Good post Mobster...
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 14:56:09 (permalink)
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    Yeah, excellent post Mob.

    We do not forgive. We do not forget. 
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 16:17:12 (permalink)
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    Danni, I did see the program thank you and I did enjoy it as I do know what it's like to compete and what sacrifices are made and to see the dedication that Joanna has was certainly inspiring. However, I must have spoken to a lot more different people than you did as other than the guys on here no one liked what Joanna had done to herself for her love of BB. They then all presume that we all follow the same route. When I tell someone now that I'm a bodybuilder they look at me in disgust and ask if I saw the program. I then have to correct them telling them that I'm nowhere near on the same level and that I'm free of steroids. So I actually disagree that the program showed the sport in a positive fashion, it showed the dark side and also showed how sensitive Joanna was when she was asked about her drug use. The only way to show the sport in a positive light is to follow clean athletes such as Rob Hope and for women I'd personally suggest Vicky McCann. Discovery Health did an excellent program on bodybuilding called 'Body Spectacular'....that to me was a positive program.
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 16:29:04 (permalink)
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    Thanks guys. After 26 and change years of interest and now being able to make a living from the sport plus books, magazines and videos covering the sport going back to 1900 I can say I've seen trends in our sport come and go.

    We've had Sandow train Prince Albert (Queen Victorias hubby) and Arnold and the Pumping Iron Crew as peaks. In troughs, such as now, we have the anti-roid and anti-prohormone legislation currently in effect in the USA.

    In a recent post of mine over in the supplements forum, as I have done elsewhere, I took the attitude that we all bare some responsobility to our own future and so took care NOT to advise what turned out to be a under 21 year old lad on the use of PH. By the same token the very idea of some poor BB - male or female - needing to make a few quid by posing is in and off itself not that great a problem. But that's cos I'm familer with the sport as a whole and love it all. That a small percentage could be presented in the same way as Joanna was is, to my mind, not a positive step for any of us.

    I even worried about a possible video of myself that was suggested by a contact of mine at Channel 4. There had been a suggestion of them following me about during the run up to the British Grip Championships (I won). On a good day you'll have seen a highly trained and motivated athlete work his arse off to be Britians best.

    On a bad day you'll have seen an obssessive train until he bled, rest, train until he bled some more and repeated this day in and day out to win a competition against 3 others in a converted church hall with 6 watching and for bugger all prize money.

    Same person, same sport, different presentation. I admire all that train and regardless of race, creed or sex. Joanna is to be admired for her effort but it didn't feel the right way to promote the sport to me and nor will doing so again.

     
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 20:31:52 (permalink)
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    Body Spectacular was great. With health and fitness all the rage at the moment I think something like that would go down really well on 'proper' television channels (i.e. channels 1 to 5). I wish I could get Body Spectacular on dvd as I missed quite a few of them!

    edit: I'd happily be a guinea pig for something like body spectacular.
    post edited by littlejones - 2006/07/07 20:36:27
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/07 22:44:39 (permalink)
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    some were good,and many people mabe good gains,but i thing at the time some looked set up.
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    RE: TV documentary - Special Edition Films 2006/07/08 10:43:08 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: motorhead

    some were good,and many people mabe good gains,but i thing at the time some looked set up.


    There was at least one person on one of the weeks that I knew had competed prior to the program being filmed however, I don't want to speak ill of her as she a nice person. Also some of the people were already trainer with one trainer
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