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2007/06/14 20:05:53 (permalink)
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Tamoxifen row

something in the sun caught my eye today and the gist was

"peodophiles chemically castrated usually using depo provera and tamoxifen"

as i work in a pharmacy this prompted a good discussion with my friend an experienced pharmacist

he said that tamoxifen was not selective enough in its inhibition of hormones as to not decrease test levels as well as estrogen and that is why it would be used in chemical castration to lower all hormone levels

i told him there was plenty of evidence of people using it post cycle to block estrogen receptors while natty test gets up and running and his view was that this would make recovery take a lot longer

im still convinced im right but he has got me thinking as he is a clever bloke and a pharmacist

hmmmmmmmm??
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 20:21:01 (permalink)
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    Some reports I've read say that Tamoxifen and nolvadex are useless for the purposes mentioned above. Really dont know who to believe these days

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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 20:27:01 (permalink)
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    i read article in the Mirror. mentioned two meds used for chemical castration - triptropolin and zolodex. tamoxifen wasnt' mentioned


     
     
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 20:30:02 (permalink)
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    in the sun it was tamoxifen and depo provera

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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 20:33:47 (permalink)
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    lol ... that's the press 4 u!


     
     
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 20:42:45 (permalink)
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    probs just picking them out of a hat but the argument my mate was making was a good one
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 20:47:21 (permalink)
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    we'll have to wait for the doc/partyboy/erekose i guess


     
     
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 22:19:20 (permalink)
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    Some Progestins have been used. But I;ve never seen Tamoxifen being used. Infact, Tamoxifen increases test by changing the test:estrogen ratio in eugondal males.
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 22:23:03 (permalink)
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    The depo provera is used to shut down natural androgen production. This is the "chemical castration"

    The tamoxifen is used to prevent gyno (obviously the almost zero level of natural androgens will usually lead to development of gyno, and this needs to be combatted)

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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 22:25:28 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: drab4

    The depo provera is used to shut down natural androgen production. This is the "chemical castration"

    The tamoxifen is used to prevent gyno (obviously the almost zero level of natural androgens will usually lead to development of gyno, and this needs to be combatted)




    The level(s) of estrogen will also decline after prolonged use of the "depo provera". As their is a decrease in testosterone levels and aromotase.
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 22:28:14 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Swifto


    ORIGINAL: drab4

    The depo provera is used to shut down natural androgen production. This is the "chemical castration"

    The tamoxifen is used to prevent gyno (obviously the almost zero level of natural androgens will usually lead to development of gyno, and this needs to be combatted)




    The level(s) of estrogen will also decline after prolonged use of the "depo provera". As their is a decrease in testosterone levels and aromotase.

    Yes of course. But my comment still stands

    Low sex hormone levels in males is a leading cause of gyno
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 22:28:43 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL:
    he said that tamoxifen was not selective enough in its inhibition of hormones as to not decrease test levels as well as estrogen and that is why it would be used in chemical castration to lower all hormone levels




    Well it was selective enough for me during my p.c.t. so b*****ks to the sun and the pharmacist..i wont do a course without it on hand and ready for p.c.t..

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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 22:45:25 (permalink)
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    Here is some reading for anyone interested

    It's not on sex offenders, as I've never really looked into that, I'm not a Sun reader lol

    These study abstracts are on men who recieve treatments similar to chemical castration because they have prostate cancer and any androgens will make their cancer worse. There are various drugs used for this, not just depo provera. Often with these guys, tamoxifen is used to help prevent them getting gyno

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=15863377

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/entrez?Db=pubmed&Cmd=ShowDetailView&TermToSearch=17270340
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 22:51:01 (permalink)
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    so thats where theyve got it from

    paedos with gyno lol at least theyd be easier to spot!
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 23:28:04 (permalink)
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    I think the lesson here is don't ready the ****ty tabloids!


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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/14 23:37:35 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Dieselboy


    paedos with gyno lol at least theyd be easier to spot!

    LOL not a pleasant thought!
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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/15 11:20:37 (permalink)
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    Ive seen a study (cant for the life of me find the reference to it right now) that shows a 140% increase in test levels from a 40mg/day doase of tamoxifen....

    I would have thought that estradiol or progesterone would do the job, or an anti-androgen.

    The radio report I heard said they were thinking of using anti-depressants with libido lowering side effects


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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/15 15:53:48 (permalink)
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    Scroll down to Q 6 for side effects in men.
    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Therapy/tamoxifen

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    RE: Tamoxifen row 2007/06/15 18:36:47 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: dvdman69

    Scroll down to Q 6 for side effects in men.
    http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Therapy/tamoxifen

    That is just a list of some possible side effects though mate. None of them actually happen very often. There are hundreds of studies on tamoxifen, and very rarely is a decrease in libido reported


    headaches, nausea and/or vomiting, skin rash, impotence, or a decrease in sexual interest


    I don't puke or get a skin rash when I take tamoxifen, nor do I become impotent. The same is true for almost all men!



    Depo provera on the other hand, will reduce sex drive in any man
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