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2009/07/30 21:33:24 (permalink)
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Test of strength!

Kinda bored here but, how could you in general mesure someones strength by using the following excersises:

Bench
Squat
Deadlift
Clean and jerk

(These are the main power excersies IIRC right?)

I mean, does anyone know where one would place with the following stats (as a example):

Bench: 180kg
Squat: 220kg
Deadlift: 260kg
Clean and jerk: 120kg

I just litterrally thought of these numbers.

But i was wondering if somone could think of 'bands' for the stats ie pathetic to MEGA LIFTER lol

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    iaink
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:36:25 (permalink)
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    There are indeed some tables flying about that do attempt to grade various lifts. Often compared to body weight.

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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:37:29 (permalink)
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    it would have to include the persons body weight too

    bench 180kg @ 14 stone lean is a lot more impressive than at 18 stone for example

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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:37:55 (permalink)
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    Are you looking for ratio's?
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:41:08 (permalink)
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    I'v often wondered why benchpress is often used as the universal indicator of a mans strength.
    "So you work out?"
    "yep"
    "how much d'ya bench?"

    Why is it never, "how much d'ya squat/deadlift/overhead press/clean and jerk" etc
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:41:10 (permalink)
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:43:53 (permalink)
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    GOM3Z

    I'v often wondered why benchpress is often used as the universal indicator of a mans strength.
    "So you work out?"
    "yep"
    "how much d'ya bench?"

    Why is it never, "how much d'ya squat/deadlift/overhead press/clean and jerk" etc


    maybe because a lot of recreational trainers do not squat, dead or clean and jerk



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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:47:41 (permalink)
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    ive never even attempted a Clean and jerk!
    wouldn't know where to begin
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:53:12 (permalink)
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    dempsey

    http://www.strengthandbody.com/strength-standards.html


    Don't really understand the chart.
    It doesn't say how many reps.
    For example, At 180lb an untrained man should be able to overhead press 35kg, but...how many reps?
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:54:46 (permalink)
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    400lb/182.5kg squat
    300lb/137.5kg bench
    500lb/227.5kg deadlift

    Or 1200lb total of the above lifts

    * Unequipped

    Is the starting point for 'strong' for me, not the end destination!

    Comparing squats is a bit pointless with most people, as I have only seen a handful of people who aren't strength athletes squat to good depth.

    I'm a bit of a Nazi and for me the epitome of a good squat is one that has been passed in an IPF comp (GBPF in this country).

    Not a fan of bodyweight stuff, strength should be measured in absolute terms IMO, too many factors to start saying, 2x bodyweight bench is strong:

    Length of limbs
    Technique

    A 200kg bench at 100kg is in a different league to 140kg at 70kg.
    A 400kg deadlift at 160kg is incomporable to 250kg DL at 100kg.

    If I want to figure out how strong someone is, the main things I want to know is, how much weight can they pick off the deck (deadlift) and how much weight can they put overhead (push press/military).

    With these two lifts there is little room for debate on form and unequipment is less of an issue on DL and no issue on overhead.
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:55:35 (permalink)
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    GOM3Z Its all in Ibs mate and for 1 rep.
    post edited by dempsey - 2009/07/30 21:57:51
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 21:55:57 (permalink)
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    GOM3Z

    dempsey

    http://www.strengthandbody.com/strength-standards.html


    Don't really understand the chart.
    It doesn't say how many reps.
    For example, At 180lb an untrained man should be able to overhead press 35kg, but...how many reps?


    That is for a single mate.
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 22:11:03 (permalink)
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    Cheers guys.
    I know its lbs but they mean nothing to me so I convert them to KG's

    35kg for 1 seems p!ss poor though to be honest, I'm a beginner and I'v been doing 35kg for reps since day 1 with ease.
    its 60kg for bench though, which is about right for me LOL
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/30 22:13:05 (permalink)
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    It's a guide mate.

    I think if you dragged the average guy off the street who had never done any form of training or sport before, they would struggle to lift 35kg overhead!
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/31 01:10:54 (permalink)
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    I wouldn't use overhead as a standard, technique can go very far with this one.  The deadlift is the best test of someones power, very raw technique.

    Squat: 363kg

    Bench: 195kg

    Deadlift: 300kg

    @ (currently 114kg)

    ...soon to be obliterated!
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/31 01:12:48 (permalink)
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    There's not much technique to a strict military press? There can be some leaning back, far less technique than a bench though!
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/31 01:16:25 (permalink)
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    The strictest way a military press can be performed is seated, It's bad practice to keep your knees fully straight is standing and slightly bent VERY hard not to use a bit of a drive.  Think split step though...I'd still go with deadlift.

    Squat: 363kg

    Bench: 195kg

    Deadlift: 300kg

    @ (currently 114kg)

    ...soon to be obliterated!
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/31 01:27:13 (permalink)
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    We must be talking about conventional deadlift right?

    What about upper body strength though? Deadlift is probably the best single indicator of strength, but an upper body indicator is also essential.

    Don't agree with seated military press, much more preferable to do an exercise standing IMO, most people like sitting on their arse though lol.
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/31 02:14:49 (permalink)
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    I prefer doing it standing too, however, seated is far more strict, therefore a better test of strength (for the excersise).  The deadlift is the best 'overall' test of strength though.  My upper body is very much incorporated in the deadlift, in fact, all of my muscles, all of them!  Can the same be said for your 'strict' military press?

    Squat: 363kg

    Bench: 195kg

    Deadlift: 300kg

    @ (currently 114kg)

    ...soon to be obliterated!
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    Re:Test of strength! 2009/07/31 08:17:59 (permalink)
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    Bench - 185

    Squat - 235
    Dead - 235

    The bottom two aren't likely to ever improve I'm afraid as , I veered away from them my whole adult life after having a prolapsed disc many years ago, returning to them at the beg of the year for 4mths, reached 235 on both (dead was particularly smooth progress) and then started getting severe lower back pain, so stopped.
     
    Shame, as I def have a lot more in me but the back isn't going to let me get there, and I have to work/live so my brief sojourn into deads and squats is over.
     

    My username has nothing to do with my religious beliefs.....
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