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Testical pain - please advice - LH level is high

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2005/07/25 16:09:55 (permalink)

Testical pain - please advice - LH level is high

Hi there,

My name is Terence Lau.I am 29 years old and I stay in Malaysia. I really hope you can give me some clue to what is happening in my body. I am very sad and worried.


I hope YOUR GUYS can reply and give me some answers to me condition. Thanks.

I having testical pain ( minor pain but constant) everyday since when I took powder TongKat Ali root herb for a month in May 2005.

Please read below what is TongKat ali and how it causes pain to my testical and prostate.

My hair keeps dropping and it goes very dry. I used to have oily hair, but it seems that my is dry and it keeps dropping now. Perhaps I have taken it excessively. The tongkat ali drink or capsule is readily available in many convenient store since 2 years ago. I have stopped taking it since 1st of June 2005, but my testes is still painful at times ( like something poking or squezzing it)

I took it to increase my energy, but to my surprise the effect of TongKat ali is beyond that. I am so worried.

After weeks of worrying, I found out from many reliable website indicating Tongkat Ali root is a herb to stimulate the testosterone production in the leydig cells by interfering the HPTA ( Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis ) to continue producing Luteinizing hormone to stimulate the production of testosterone even though the testosterone level raises.

Luteinizing hormone (LH) in our body is used to produce testosterone
(On normal body condition, the LH level will fall or reduce when the body automatically detects rising level of testosterone)

When I read this, I was so afraid. Many other website also says that this Tongkat ali root herb produce more testosterone in the body by secreting more luteinizing hormone to stimulate the production of testosterone in the testes.

Taken from
http://www.testingtongkatali.com/hormonal.htm
"Tongkat ali is the opposite of a testosterone agonist. But no, it’s not a testosterone antagonist. Tongkat ali stimulates testosterone production by interfering with the testosterone negative feedback loop. Even when tongkat ali raises testosterone levels, the upstream pituitary and hypothalamus do not respond by signaling that testosterone synthesis should be tuned down."

Taken from
http://www.911healthshop.com/lj100.html
Tong Ali works by activating the CYP17 (17 a-hyroxylase/17,20 lyase) enzyme to enhance the matabolism of pregnenolone and 17-OH pregnenolone to yield more dehyroepiandrosterone (DHEA) as well as the metabolism of progesterone and 17-OH progesterone to 4-androstenedione


I was so worried that I went to take a FSH, LH and Testosterone test.

First test in 20 June 2005
FSH is 2.0 miu/ml (Reference range 2.0 - 10.0)
LH is 5.7 miu/ml (Reference range 2.0 - 15.0)
Testosterone is 7.28 ng/ml (Reference range 2.41 - 8.27)

Second test in 19 July 2005
FSH is 2.8 miu/ml (Reference range 2.0 - 10.0)
LH is 8.1 miu/ml (Reference range 2.0 - 15.0)
Testosterone is 6.94 ng/ml (Reference range 2.41 - 8.27)

I have a few questions. Below are my questions. I hope you staff can reply

The doctor say this the TongKat Ali is the culprit to my testes pain and hair drop. He says that my testosterone level is at high range. What is a normal level of LH ? I noticed from many reliable websites say that a normal LH level should be around or at the same level as the FSH level. Is this correct?

Could the testical pain indicating the over-working of the Leydig cells to produce testosterone in my testical?

How is CYP17 ( 17a-hydroxylase) related to Luteinizing hormone and testosterone?

This tongkat ali activates CYP17. How do I reduce CYP17 or ensure that the HPTA ( Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis ) or testosterone negative feedback loop works by telling the body to stop producing Luteinizing hormone when the testosterone level is high?

Is my 8.1 miu/ml LH level high? It seems that LH level is higher than my FSH level. Does this indicate my Lh level is high? I understand that LH is one of the main reason of high level of testosterone.

Naturally, our body stops producing LH when our testosterone level raises. How does this herb interfere the HPTA ( Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis ) or testosterone negative feedback loop? This has cause my testosterone level and LH to raise too high and my testical is painful.

I do not have any testicular pain before. Now I have. My hair keeps dropping now and is very dry. Is this because of the high level of testosterone? Is my testicular pain related to this LH and testosterone level ?


Please reply. I have no where to find help, except through the internet. I visited a general doctor twice. He called me to drink a lot of water and the problem will subside slowly, but pain still remains after 2 months I stopped taking that crazy tongkat ali herb.

Have a nice day

Terence L
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    ToxicToffee
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    RE: Testical pain - please advice - LH level is high 2005/07/25 16:16:31 (permalink)
    hi mate
    welcome to the board
    put a temp lock and and alerted the resident doctor for some help as its not a guessing issue and i would prefer something to come from him rather than us guessing
    cheers
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    RE: Testical pain - please advice - LH level is high 2005/07/26 00:16:43 (permalink)
    Welcome to the board
    ORIGINAL: terencelau

    Naturally, our body stops producing LH when our testosterone level raises. How does this herb interfere the HPTA ( Hypothalamic/Pituitary/Testicular Axis ) or testosterone negative feedback loop? This has cause my testosterone level and LH to raise too high and my testical is painful.

    I do not have any testicular pain before. Now I have. My hair keeps dropping now and is very dry. Is this because of the high level of testosterone? Is my testicular pain related to this LH and testosterone level ?



    I would not expect the herb to have an everlasting effect on your HPTA and this is confirmed by your blood results which are within the normal range. You dont have to worry about Cyp enzymes, any effect of the herb would have stopped by now.

    Are you sexually active?

    If the pain persists you should have a scrotal ultrasound scan to exclude any organic causes.

    In up to 25% of patients with testicular pain, no cause can be found and this can become chronic.
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    RE: Testical pain - please advice - LH level is high 2005/07/26 06:47:39 (permalink)
    Hi TheDoctor,

    I have read from many reliable websites, that a normal LH level ( Luteinizing hormone ) should be around the same as the FSH level. If the LH level is higher than FSH level, this simply indicates I will produce more androgen.


    My LH has dramatically risen to 8.1 miu/ml and my FSH is only 2.8miu/ml

    Is my LH level elevated ?

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    RE: Testical pain - please advice - LH level is high 2005/07/26 10:51:15 (permalink)
    Hi TheDoctor,

    As to your question, am I sexually active?

    After taking TongKat Ali (Eurycoma Longifolia Jack) , I felt more energy until I can't sleep. My body temperature increased. I did see any significant muscle increased but I felt very easily into thinking about sex.

    Because of the fear of my testical pain, I do not involve in any kind of sexually activity.
    When I am aroused by some thoughts of sexual stuff, I channel my thoughts to other thing.

    Every week for almost 2 months already, when I sweep the floor, I can see over hundreds of my short hair on the floor. This has caused me so worried. It all happens after taking this crazy tongkat ali drink. I am sad about my situtaion. Hair dropping and testical pain.

    TheDoctor, you have yet to answer my question.

    In a normal human body, does the same ratio of the LH level / FSH level indicate LH level is normal? It seems my LH level is 8.1miu/ml and my FSH level is only 2.8miu/ml

    Many websites conclude and mentioned that if your LH level is higher than FSL level, androgen production is elevated or increased. In female, this usually associated wiuth PCOS (Polycystic ovary syndrome )

    My thought and conclusion based on the blood test, is that the TongKat Ali powder root I took over-stimulated my testes to produce testosterone and the pain is caused by over-working of the testes. As you may know, LH level is responsible for the creation of testosterone in the Leydig cells inside the testes.

    Many reliable website indicate that this crazy Tongkat ali herb interfere the HTPA, so the body keeps producing LH level even though the testosterone level has raised.


    Do reply.

    Thanks.
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