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The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you?

The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you?

Done nothing at all for me - waste of cash   33% (1)
Helps me focus, which helps me learn/achieve   0% (0)
Defo doing something quite major - memory is doing great   0% (0)
I feel like Einstein on this stuff   0% (0)
Works but has sides such as feeling "wired"   0% (0)
Does nothing positive and leaves me a jittering mess   66% (2)

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2009/07/30 13:47:21 (permalink)
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The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you?

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Only had this stuff for two days so not expecting much as yet.

However, I did concoct what I think is a valid self-study.

While many people write that they think it may be helping them to concentrate or recall things, they generally can't be sure.
Many first day users claim things like music sounds crisper, or they notice new detail in things, or can home in on two conversations at once in a restaurant, etc.

That all seems a bit subjective and hopeful to me so I decided to, while trying to sleep, try to recall the names of the kids in the street I lived in when I grew up.

Before the Piracetam arrived, I managed to recall about 6 names and surnames but no more.

Couldn't remember the names of the diabetic kid across the road, or the two girls two doors down, or the kid who caught his willy in his zip at the bottom of the street, etc.

Last night, after an "attack dose" on day one of the Piracetam, I repeated the exercise when I went to bed.

As cynical as I am about these things, I have to admit that I could remember the individual houses a lot better - the peeling paint on the old Indian woman's house, the fencing panels on the end of cul-de-sac neighbour's house, the electricity meter beside that fence, etc.

Then, slowly, I got some extra first names. Willy kid was Peter. Then I remembered Beth and Sandra and Karen and Tracey and Alan.
Then all their surnames came back to me, though Peter's took me ages to recollect.

I also remembered the phone number of the house I lived in when I was 14.

And got an image of a beach we visited as proper kids - I'm talking four or five years old here - those old pegged-in windcheaters with stripey material and red sandcastle buckets, etc.

I highly doubt that's coincidental and I have hope that Piracetam may help in memory function, particularly for me as my short-term to long-term memory transition is nothing short of shocking (anyone who knows me personally will attest to that).

For those that don't know about Piracetam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam
It's a perfectly legal supplement that's been around for decades and is popular among academic students.

So, any other experiences?


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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 13:59:35 (permalink)
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    sounds very interesting ive got good recall for actual events and places ,so id be keen to have a dabble ,worried about the long term effects tho
    why not make a blog or keep this ongoing to track your progress before,during and after
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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 14:02:04 (permalink)
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    BTW get that Tony buzen book while your tryign this cos if there one thing id commit to mind long term it would be his book/s,once you got them locked in proper youd be a right old rainman

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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 14:05:44 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    I highly doubt that's coincidental and I have hope that Piracetam may help in memory function, particularly for me as my short-term to long-term memory transition is nothing short of shocking (anyone who knows me personally will attest to that).



    So, nothing to do with the fact that you'd already spent some time trying to recall the names on a previous occasion?

    And, uh, a placebo effect.

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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 14:07:09 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    I highly doubt that's coincidental and I have hope that Piracetam may help in memory function, particularly for me as my short-term to long-term memory transition is nothing short of shocking (anyone who knows me personally will attest to that).



    So, nothing to do with the fact that you'd already spent some time trying to recall the names on a previous occasion?

    And, uh, a placebo effect.


    Has there been any clinical studies done on this drug's effectiveness that you know of John?

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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 14:07:30 (permalink)
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    I don't know John.
    Does failing to recall them previously make trying to recall them on subsequent occasions easier?
    I really don't know.
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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 14:10:46 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    I don't know John.
    Does failing to recall them previously make trying to recall them on subsequent occasions easier?
    I really don't know.


    I'd suggest that time spent engaging in active recall of the environment would inevitably build capacity to remember events or facts on a future occasion.

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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 14:17:03 (permalink)
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    T_Dawg Jack

    Has there been any clinical studies done on this drug's effectiveness that you know of John?


    Lemme Pubmed it.

    Ok...

    Well, there are a fair few RCT studies, however they focus on the use of the compound in cases where a disease, injury or surgical intervention has impaired the memory and cognitive function of a patient. These studies do seems to provide evidence of some therapeutic effect.

    I can't find anything to support enhanced memory in a normal subject however. (Which is not to say there isn't something out there I've missed).


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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 14:24:00 (permalink)
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    T_Dawg Jack
    any clinical studies done on this drug's effectiveness

    http://content.karger.c...lltext&file=dem13217
    A meta-analysis has been performed including nineteen double blind, placebo controlled studies with piracetam in patients suffering from dementia or cognitive impairment in the elderly. These studies had as common outcome measure a clinical global impression of change, a measure of clinically meaningful improvement. The meta-analysis of this global outcome followed the methodology set forward by the Cochrane Collaboration. This article describes the studies, the patient populations and the methods of data extraction. The results of the meta-analysis demonstrate a difference between those individuals treated with piracetam and those given placebo, both as significant odds ratio and as a favourable number needed to treat. While there may be problems in meta-analyses and the interpretation of the statistical results, the results of this analysis provide compelling evidence for the global efficacy of piracetam in a diverse group of older subjects with cognitive impairment

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/826948
    Nootropyl (Piracetam) a drug reported to facilitate learning in animals was tested for its effect on man by administering it to normal volunteers. The subjects were given 3x4 capsules at 400 mg per day, in a double blind study. Each subject learned series of words presented as stimuli upon a memory drum. No effects were observed after 7 days but after 14 days verbal learning had significantly increased.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih...les&logdbfrom=pubmed
    Following previous research which suggests that piracetam improves performance on tasks associated with the left hemisphere, a 12-week, double-blind, placebo-controlled study of developmental dyslexics was conducted. Six study sites treated 257 dyslexic boys between the ages of 8 and 13 years who were significantly below their potential in reading performance. Children were of at least normal intelligence, had normal findings on audiologic, ophthalmologic, neurologic, and physical examination, and were neither educationally deprived nor emotionally disturbed. Piracetam was found to be well tolerated in this study population. Children treated with piracetam showed improvements in reading speed. No other effects on reading were observed. In addition, improvement in auditory sequential short-term memory was observed in those piracetam-treated patients who showed relatively poor memory at baseline. It is suggested that longer term treatment with piracetam may result in additional improvements.


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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 14:28:44 (permalink)
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    T_Dawg Jack

    Has there been any clinical studies done on this drug's effectiveness that you know of John?


    Lemme Pubmed it.

    Ok...

    Well, there are a fair few RCT studies, however they focus on the use of the compound in cases where a disease, injury or surgical intervention has impaired the memory and cognitive function of a patient. These studies do seems to provide evidence of some therapeutic effect.

    I can't find anything to support enhanced memory in a normal subject however. (Which is not to say there isn't something out there I've missed).

    Yeah, I would of thought that a nootropic drug would be a go-to choice with a patient suffering from something like alzheimers or a similiar cognitve de-generative condition.
     
    As brucie mentioned, without any long-term investigation I (being my risk-averse self) would be cautious.

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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 15:43:13 (permalink)
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    You could draw analogies with vitamins. If you're deficient in vitamins then a vitamin supplement is useful and will likely garner an observable effect. If you're not deficient then adding more and more vitamins won't actually do you any good.

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    Re:The Piracetam effectiveness poll - how has it worked for you? 2009/07/30 15:57:51 (permalink)
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    rightyho

    I highly doubt that's coincidental and I have hope that Piracetam may help in memory function, particularly for me as my short-term to long-term memory transition is nothing short of shocking (anyone who knows me personally will attest to that).



    So, nothing to do with the fact that you'd already spent some time trying to recall the names on a previous occasion?

    And, uh, a placebo effect.


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