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Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork

So here is the results of my SD run I have just completed. I did 25 days of 20mg superdrol (SD) and supplemented with Tudca throughout. I took a blood test just before starting and on the final day of SD. I intend to take a third and final test after completing PCT. My motivations for doing bloods (and this writeup itself) are to evaluate the effect the compound has on my system and inform me for future cycles, provide further evidence that the compound is indeed genuine, and finally to assist others looking to cycle SD.
 
Here’s a brief overview of the run:
 
Week 1:
By end of week 1 size increase had just started to take hold. Balls getting softer and starting to shrink a little. Mild lethargy also beginning to set in from about day 4. Daily cals currently at 4200, with more carbs in play than I usually do. Ratio at 30% protein, 35% carbs and 35% fats. Training continues as normal with typical progression.
 
Week 2:
Week 2 size increase was fairly obvious. Looked pumped just getting out of bed. Definitely noticed the hardness of muscles that I had read about. Lower back pumps also increased and happened just doing gardening etc. I did not use the taurine I bought though as I wanted to see how bad it got. Also noticed a slight groggy/headachey sensation on occasion, but this subsided towards end of week 2. Seem to be warmer too with night sweats being frequent. Increased daily cals to 4300 about halfway through the week. Strength increasing at the gym, not rapidly/substantially but I can definitely feel a difference.
 
Week 3:
Noticed lethargy has increased. I am a shift worker and usually have no issues working nights. In the final week of SD I did struggle somewhat despite getting adequate sleep. I'll admit to a couple of naps in my breaks. Lethargy was not constant, more like ‘amplified’ when I encountered those typical tired moments everybody gets. Appetite also dropped off, as found it more of a chore to eat all the food. Sex drive remained steady throughout, still performing but taking longer to get interested, though this may have been lethargy related. Noticed a few more acne spots than normal end of week 3/start of PCT.
 
 
Stats comparison:
                                                          13/02/18                  11/03/18
Upper Arm (L):                                36cm                        38cm
Shoulders:                                       132cm                       133.5cm
Chest:                                               113cm                       113cm
Thigh (R):                                          64cm                        66cm
Calf (R):                                             37cm                         37cm
 
Waist:                                                102cm                      103.5cm
Weight:                                             101.3kg                     106.9kg
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 06:35:17 (permalink)
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Blood results:
 
Here you can see results of tests taken day before I started cycle, and the very last day of cycle. Interestingly liver hardly broke a sweat, though I was taking TUDCA during the cycle. I expected to see more toxicity TBH, so either the TUDCA worked very well or the SD isn’t as nasty as purported to be.
 
Cholesterol and test however took a massive hit, as expected. My LDL has never been that high before. The HDL was knocked right down to almost nothing. I did not take any cholesterol support on this cycle. Test has also been brought to it’s knees. FSH and LH are on the lower end of the scale but should see me recover nicely. Estrogen dropped a little but it will be interesting to see how that responds to PCT, as many have reported a ‘delayed’ estrogen response to SD. In summary this is what I expected to see from a proper cycle with SD.

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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 06:40:54 (permalink)
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In Summary:
 
In the end I am very happy just how well this has worked. The difference between pictures are obvious to even me, yet I feel the pics themselves don’t quite do the size increase justice. I should add that all these pics are taken on non-training days ie. with no pump whatsoever. A pumped pic would show even more development I think, but this is not useful for comparison purposes as a pump is variable.
 
Strength did also increase, not substantially, but I could certainly tell week to week that I was getting stronger at a faster rate. Without getting the substance tested I am as confident as I can be that the SD was legit and adequately dosed. It performed exactly as I have come to expect after having done much research.
 
Now on Nolva PCT 20/20/20/20/10/10. I have dropped cals by 100 daily to try and limit that waist gain. Should still have me in a nice little surplus but not excessive. I will update end of PCT as to how much I managed to retain.
 
Feel to leave and comments/critiques. As always I am here to learn. Particularly interested in previous users of SD and how the gains compare to their own past experiences.
 
Thanks for reading!
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 12:24:03 (permalink)
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Wow Brett informative as always. 

I can notice pretty big changes in the before and afters, you seem to be bigger and yet you are more vascular! Shoulders and back look to have had the most growth imo. 

Hoping you keep most of what you've gained and interested to see how you are getting on in a months time or so. 

Your cholesterol and test should end up being back in the normal range after your pct with nolva or you going to be taking anything along side to help either?
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 12:48:07 (permalink)
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What brand of SD did you use? BC?
Great results and thanks for the bloodwork! 


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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 13:46:54 (permalink)
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Wow Brett informative as always. 

I can notice pretty big changes in the before and afters, you seem to be bigger and yet you are more vascular! Shoulders and back look to have had the most growth imo. 

Hoping you keep most of what you've gained and interested to see how you are getting on in a months time or so. 

Your cholesterol and test should end up being back in the normal range after your pct with nolva or you going to be taking anything along side to help either?


Cheers bud! I realise much of it will be glycogen in the muscle but hopefully some new tissue should be there as well.

Just taking the usual fish oil, flaxseed oil and multivitamin. Based on previous blood tests I reckon chol will take about 6 weeks to recover fully. Hard to say with test as never taken nolva before! Would expect to be back around the same numbers end of PCT.
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 13:50:10 (permalink)
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What brand of SD did you use? BC?
Great results and thanks for the bloodwork! 


Cheers mate! Brand was radian nutrition -the d10 is their superdrol. I did my research and everything I read on them from experienced users was good. Have to agree they have been fantastic to deal with, and very happy with the SD.
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 13:53:10 (permalink)
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Wow Brett informative as always. 

I can notice pretty big changes in the before and afters, you seem to be bigger and yet you are more vascular! Shoulders and back look to have had the most growth imo. 

Hoping you keep most of what you've gained and interested to see how you are getting on in a months time or so. 

Your cholesterol and test should end up being back in the normal range after your pct with nolva or you going to be taking anything along side to help either?


Cheers bud! I realise much of it will be glycogen in the muscle but hopefully some new tissue should be there as well.

Just taking the usual fish oil, flaxseed oil and multivitamin. Based on previous blood tests I reckon chol will take about 6 weeks to recover fully. Hard to say with test as never taken nolva before! Would expect to be back around the same numbers end of PCT.



You going to follow up post pct with bloods/write up? I'd love for you to give halo a bash next time round and get your opinion/experience on it! What you reckon? ;)
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 14:32:41 (permalink)
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Excellent results mate. Definite visable changes for the better.

You’ve sussed the training side out... but I think next run you should pay more attention to your diet to get the best from your cycles.. 30p/35c/35f is not great macros. Your fat is far too high compared to your carbs. If you’re eating carbs for muscle growth(which you should) fat should be sub 20% and carbs should be around 50%. It’s not only about calories it’s also creating the right hormonal environment, of which diet is key.
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/18 14:47:40 (permalink)
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Nice and detailed write up.  I wish I had the money to pay for bloods as it's nice to see.  What were your goals regards pyhsique?  Were you chasing size and strength or leaning out?  I can only echo what Animal has said regards the diet.  I personally don't think you can go far wrong with the traditional 40/40/20 split macro wise.  If I were you I would switch that up now and try and get it really nailed through PCT and maybe give yourself an 8 week goal using MK and Osta to cut ready for the next cycle.  Again my preference is slightly longer cycles but if I was to start from a really lean base then maybe SD is something I would consider for a quick bulking hit.

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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/19 03:41:57 (permalink)
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You going to follow up post pct with bloods/write up? I'd love for you to give halo a bash next time round and get your opinion/experience on it! What you reckon? ;)



Yes mate I will be getting another test end of PCT. I'll take a new set of pics too for comparison.
 
SD was fun with the sudden size increase but it really depends on how much I retain from it. If it all disappears then it's not really what I'm looking for long term. I keep thinking of what another member said to me 'how much actual tissue will be accrued from a 3 week SD run vs. a 8 week halo run?' I just want something I can run a few times per year to get a few extra kgs of muscle.
 
I have a few months to research but I will probably try Halo. I need to do some research on brands too. I know you are using BC. Has anyone got any others they recommend?
 
Another thing I've been mulling over to test is including ostarine in with PCT. I originally dismissed the idea but now I'm wondering whilst it may extend PCT a little, could it be a 'stepping stone' to get back up to speed, all the while helping to preserve the new muscle tissue you've built.
 
 
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Excellent results mate. Definite visable changes for the better.

You’ve sussed the training side out... but I think next run you should pay more attention to your diet to get the best from your cycles.. 30p/35c/35f is not great macros. Your fat is far too high compared to your carbs. If you’re eating carbs for muscle growth(which you should) fat should be sub 20% and carbs should be around 50%. It’s not only about calories it’s also creating the right hormonal environment, of which diet is key.



Thanks mate! TBH I felt like I was eating carbs non stop lol. I'll have to tweak next time, get rid of the olive oil and change to skim milk etc. Don't know how I can do it otherwise.
 
 
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Nice and detailed write up.  I wish I had the money to pay for bloods as it's nice to see.  What were your goals regards pyhsique?  Were you chasing size and strength or leaning out?  I can only echo what Animal has said regards the diet.  I personally don't think you can go far wrong with the traditional 40/40/20 split macro wise.  If I were you I would switch that up now and try and get it really nailed through PCT and maybe give yourself an 8 week goal using MK and Osta to cut ready for the next cycle.  Again my preference is slightly longer cycles but if I was to start from a really lean base then maybe SD is something I would consider for a quick bulking hit.



Cheers bud. I am very fortunate as my doc is happy to write me up some blood forms for free as long as it's not too often. I did have to pay for one a few months back which was about 200 bucks (about 90 of your pounds?) Would be too expensive to do like that.
 
Chasing size mate. Strength is nice but not too bothered. After the PCT I'll be having a bit of time off. I like the idea of longer cycles purely to obtain more muscle tissue. There must be a limit as to how much tissue the body can manufacture in three weeks.
 
I'll have a look at tweaking the diet too mate. Cheers for the feedback!
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/19 10:07:59 (permalink)
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Nice write up mate, excellent attention to detail as always.
 
You can definitely see some size increase in shoulders, back and arms. Hoping the PCT works out for you and you hold onto most of your gains.
 
If I remember correctly when you did your Ostarine cycle didn't you come to the conclusion that it helped preserve muscle mass while on your cut? If so then I think the Osta during your PCT is a no brainer.
MK677 is a good shout too. I've just finished my cycle and was happy with the results.

 
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/19 15:28:25 (permalink)
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Nice write up mate, excellent attention to detail as always.
 
You can definitely see some size increase in shoulders, back and arms. Hoping the PCT works out for you and you hold onto most of your gains.
 
If I remember correctly when you did your Ostarine cycle didn't you come to the conclusion that it helped preserve muscle mass while on your cut? If so then I think the Osta during your PCT is a no brainer.
MK677 is a good shout too. I've just finished my cycle and was happy with the results.



Cheers bud! Here's hoping. Yeah I still think the osta helped preserve muscle on a deficit. The thing that concerns me with that idea is that osta does suppress test to a degree and has it's own effect on lipids. I don't know just how strong nolva is to counteract this difference and how much longer it would extend my PCT for. I think after this round I will have a much better idea how long a standard PCT takes to recover from one of the more toxic compounds. Who knows, throwing osta into the mix might stall the PCT itself!
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/19 16:52:53 (permalink)
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good changes. How many PH cycles have you done now? have you done any steroid cycles and which do you prefer?

  




 
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/19 22:36:00 (permalink)
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Good work , as animal said I would of split my macros differently to increase your results further as SD loves carbs . First time I did SD I did a 40/40/20 split being carbs/protein/ fats and got some good gains . This time I’ve done a 50/30/20 and i’ve had some massive gains so if you’ve got some left for another cycle at a later date I would definitely recommend pushing the carbs up .
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/20 12:32:52 (permalink)
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good changes. How many PH cycles have you done now? have you done any steroid cycles and which do you prefer?



Cheers mate! Only other thing I completed was a cut on a 12 week ostarine cycle. I did start an LGD 4033 run but binned that early. I tried a Promagnon cycle but I'm convinced that it wasn't pmag and more likely a SARM.
 
I've never done any of the 'traditional' steroids but I believe SD is technically one anyway, so counting that I've done one lol.
 
 
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Good work , as animal said I would of split my macros differently to increase your results further as SD loves carbs . First time I did SD I did a 40/40/20 split being carbs/protein/ fats and got some good gains . This time I’ve done a 50/30/20 and i’ve had some massive gains so if you’ve got some left for another cycle at a later date I would definitely recommend pushing the carbs up .



Cheers mate. I do have half the bottle left for another run so I will take the advice on board. I do wonder though if the extra carb content just means you blow up with glycogen more rather than actually building muscle tissue. I'd be interested in your opinion on that as I think you've just done and SD cycle?
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Re: Three weeks of fun! My Superdrol Trial complete with bloodwork 2018/03/20 17:19:10 (permalink)
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Yep finished just over a week ago . Don’t get me wrong you will need to keep your eye on your waistline etc . If you are getting a bit concerned during cycle I would lower the cals overall slightly rather than just your carbs so you can still keep carbs high as SD loves them . I was on 3100 cals up to 3500 some days and have put on weight wise 23lb (10.4kg). Yes some will be glycogen I’d be Lieing if I said it wasn’t but I’ve been off for over a week and can still see that I have also packed on a lot more muscle .So I would deffo suck it up take a little pain of higher carbs to get the pleasure of great growth.
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