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2015/02/02 16:44:23 (permalink)
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Time to increase the speed limit on UK motorways?

With vast increases in both passive and non-passive car safety features over the past few decades could we increase the motorway speed limit without significantly increasing risk factor?.It might even boost the economy as people and goods could get to where they need to be more expeditiously.
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Re: Time to increase the speed limit on UK motorways? 2015/02/02 16:52:00 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:38:57
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Possibly yes.. tho I think motorcycles should be allowed to go 10mph faster than cars due to their shorter stopping distances.
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Re: Time to increase the speed limit on UK motorways? 2015/02/02 16:56:01 (permalink)
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Not while there are too many dickheads changing lanes without changing speeds, and nobody on the law enforcement sides stop people hogging the middle lane.

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Re: Time to increase the speed limit on UK motorways? 2015/02/02 17:03:04 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:39:11
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Possibly yes.. tho I think motorcycles should be allowed to go 10mph faster than cars due to their shorter stopping distances.


Cars can stop more quickly safely. Slam the brakes hard on a bike and the wheel will lock up and you will take a nasty tumble.

Maybe with ABS brakes you would stop faster than a car but I doubt it. Even if the wheels don't lock you skid much more easily on a bike.


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Re: 2015/02/02 17:28:56 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:39:19
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Was on top gear last night about stopping distances and the super cars were stopping from 60mph in 75ft not 250ft or whatever like the highway code States.
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Re: 2015/02/02 17:43:51 (permalink)
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The problem is bad enough already when there is a crash and 2 or more lanes are blocked at rush hour.
 
Too many poor drivers on the roads for it to be safe to bring in an 80MPH limit IMO.
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Re: 2015/02/02 17:57:24 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:39:39
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True ^^^ although how many people actually stick to 70...

Does anyone know if there has been any good research into the change in accident rates since the introduction of speed cameras? Are they actually effective or just a money makibg scheme?

The people that are going to speed are going to speed with or without the cameras anyway. They just look for/learn where the cameras are.

The constant slowing down and looking for cameras must be linked to crashes as well. As a motorcyclist I find them more dangerous personally.

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Re: 2015/02/02 18:02:37 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:39:46
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My speedo is 4mph out so I can set my cruise control to 77mph and I've never been stopped

Also my car has laser guided cruise control and automated emergency breaking, all this new technology it won't be long till u can just sit back and relax while all the cars operate themselves
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Re: Time to increase the speed limit on UK motorways? 2015/02/02 18:20:16 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:39:56
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I can stop in alot shorter distance on my bike than my car.
Use yourself as a windbrake, use your engine braking, your front brake and your rear brake and you should haul up faster than a normal Car
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Re: 2015/02/02 19:30:18 (permalink)
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Been a while since I had a bike, all very well increasing the limit for bikes but you can't increase the common sense and stupidly of the bad driver that will pull out in front you of - it happened to me in 2003
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Re: 2015/02/02 19:47:20 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:40:07
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True ^^^ although how many people actually stick to 70...




Very true.
 
But would raising the limit to 80 make people push it that bit more than they do know?
 
Would 90 become the new 80? so to speak.
 
 
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Re: 2015/02/02 19:58:20 (permalink)
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If anything happens in Britain these days I would expect it to be reduced. Hard to rape motorists of cash for going too slow.

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Re: 2015/02/02 20:07:28 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:40:24
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Technology was mentioned as a reason to raise the limit, however, the technology that needs to catch up is tracking of what motorists are going where.   Then we could raise speed limits as a Class, ie certain licences are allowed to travel up to 90mph, say after 10 consecutive years or 10000 motorway miles without accident, whichever is the sooner.  We can't track that now, but when we can, we can stop us good drivers being penalised because housewives can't handle motorways or rapidly-changing conditions. 
 
Some little bint who hasn't been out on the motorway since passing her test, no f*cking way should she be allowed even 70, keep her below 60 and in the slower lanes. 
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Re: Time to increase the speed limit on UK motorways? 2015/02/02 23:46:33 (permalink)
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Possibly yes.. tho I think motorcycles should be allowed to go 10mph faster than cars due to their shorter stopping distances.

Bikes can stop no where near a shorter distance.
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Re: 2015/02/03 05:28:42 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:40:44
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jack5rThe constant slowing down and looking for cameras must be linked to crashes as well. As a motorcyclist I find them more dangerous personally.



Constant slowing down? How does a speed limit, or speed cameras force you to constantly slow down? Can't say I've ever noticed having to do that.
But then I'm not some kind of magic bastard who can drive at 100 and never crash because I'm so fukcing awsome.
It's a scientific fact that most motorway accidents are caused by people piling into the back of the car in front of them, because the car in front is going too slow.


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Re: 2015/02/03 06:42:18 (permalink)
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No. When you spend enough time on the motorway and you see how bad the level of driving ability is from the average motorist, I'd not want to see an increase in speed limit.

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Re: 2015/02/03 07:32:26 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:40:58
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jack5rThe constant slowing down and looking for cameras must be linked to crashes as well. As a motorcyclist I find them more dangerous personally.



Constant slowing down? How does a speed limit, or speed cameras force you to constantly slow down? Can't say I've ever noticed having to do that.
But then I'm not some kind of magic bastard who can drive at 100 and never crash because I'm so fukcing awsome.
It's a scientific fact that most motorway accidents are caused by people piling into the back of the car in front of them, because the car in front is going too slow.



It depends which roads you fequently drive on. I rarely speed as an individual. I keep with the majority of traffic which is often speeding. I personally feel safer not being overtaken by massive lorries. The only other time I speed is to safely overtake.

I have witnessed many people suddleny slowing when the road is seemingly clear other than for a speed camera. I have been in moving traffic where this has happened.

For example the borough where I live has suddnely gone down to 20mph speed limit and planted speed cameras in new places. Lots of brake slamming..

I'm not massively for or against speed cameras. I'm just wondering if they have actually improved accident rates all that much?
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Re: 2015/02/03 07:48:18 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:41:18
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 we can stop us good drivers being penalised because housewives can't handle motorways or rapidly-changing conditions. 



It isn't the good drivers that cause accidents, just like it isn't the fast speed that causes them. It's the bad drivers pulling out and sharp change in speeds.
 
I think it is time to enforce motorway driving lessons, or include it as past of a robust test after passing "normal driving".
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Re: 2015/02/03 07:50:19 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby BMH 2015/02/03 18:41:35
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ignoring super car stopping speeds, a vauxhall vectra wont have the technology nor the materials (ceramics) to stop the same.
Lets compare apples with apples.
 
Whilst technology has evolved, the testing on top gear applies only to the 1% of the population who can afford a super car. Let the tests be conducted on the worst car on the roads right now, the large percentage still driving abut on M plate cavaliers etc.... 
 
the speed limit has to apply to everyone so it would have to be tested with the worst on the roads right now.
 
I agree the limit is out dated and technology has evolved 10 fold from drum brakes and spring leaf suspension lol.

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Re: Time to increase the speed limit on UK motorways? 2015/02/03 08:20:15 (permalink)
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I can stop in alot shorter distance on my bike than my car.
Use yourself as a windbrake, use your engine braking, your front brake and your rear brake and you should haul up faster than a normal Car



This is completely wrong. Cars Stop quicker then bikes, you have 4 large tyrers stopping a car and only 2 thin ones stopping a bike.

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