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2014/11/14 13:24:37 (permalink)

Too much emphasis on supplements?

Not sure if anyone agrees with but do you think there is too much emphasis on supplements such as protein, creatine etc etc and not enough on a good solid diet?
 
This has been bugging me for a while, i understand protein companies make a huge amount of money from sales and who in their right minds would want to stop generating that kind of money.
 
I was in the gym on Monday and i overheard these two fairly young lads talking about buying protein from holland and barrett, they were talking about spending around £100 each. One of the lads said "I'm gonna buy this protein because it doesnt make you too big and it makes you lose fat around your muscles." The only reason i didnt tell him to spend more on food was because him and his friend generally prat around in the gym, throwing water at eachother etc and they **** me off.
 
Be interesting to hear what you guys think and what the supplements reps think.
 
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/14 13:36:18 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby robert123 2014/11/14 17:22:47
I dont know about to much emphasis on supplements , I dont think they are rammed down anyones throat its probably one of the least advertised sections of the market.
 
Its very rare you see a TV ad for supplements ive only seen 2 Maximuscle and My Protein. I think these days we are constantly told to eat whole foods,blend up fruits and buy juicers and organic. 5 a day is a well known saying now and were all the better for it. What people say in gyms is another matter its like the old days there was always a know it all (but know nothing) in the pub now hes in the gym :)
 
I would say in the scenario you described and in general there is to much naivety and laziness on people who all have access to the Internet these days and just cant be bothered to read up on what they buy or are about to buy.
 
We are constantly putting people right on this forum for instance, the info is about.
 
 



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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/14 17:06:20 (permalink)
What Redwing says. It's not rare that we assume someones diet is tidy when it's not and then we have to remind them supplements come after food. I'll say that until I'm sponsored by Ben & Jerry lol

 
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/14 17:26:13 (permalink)
I think if anyone is seriously trying to improve in a sport etc they will come online to find information. The likelihood of seeing supplements would therefore be high and the domino affect would start. 
 
The misconception I think for alot of people is that due to using protein or x y z it will allow them to achieve a lot more. Food and training will always be key but some supplements are just great additions for convenience.
 
I would never lump protein (a decent one) in with the rest of the supplements available. Even if you dont work out and just want to have a healthy diet a protein shake can still find its place in there.
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/14 21:05:20 (permalink)
I think most will agree that diet is king. No point looking at supplements if you haven't first looked at your diet.
I think creatine for me anyway is great, I've become less and less of a meat eater these days so respond very well to it. I think if you have plenty of meat you may not notice it as much as an "almost vegetarian" like me lol.
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/14 22:11:51 (permalink)
I think there are still plenty of people that don't have a clue and believe that some supplement is going to magically transform there bodies. There are some people who who want to believe it that badly they suck up all the marketing.

But I also think there's just as many that make informed choices and do there own research.
post edited by Nicky p - 2014/11/14 22:13:21
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/15 01:55:47 (permalink)
With the Internet being so easily accessible I don't understand how people aren't clued up. Buying protein from H&B etc
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/15 01:55:58 (permalink)
Sure some people will use supps as a crutch, out of ignorance or failures of willpower, but some supps have their place - protein shakes for example are one of the quickest and easiest meals to get in you.  Very cheap per gram of protein, easy to standardise a portion's macros, and they deliver a good hit of protein without the fat or sugars.  If one is traveling with work, then the ease of getting quality protein from a shake, instead of relying on the crap that retailers pass off as food these days.  Damn handy!
 
If people are on restrictive diets (which a lot of bodybuilders are), supps can be an easy way to top up on certain nutrients, precisely filling specific nutrient shortfalls.
 
That said, I always make sure that I get in my beef, eggs, chicken as well as my fruit and veg, but likewise I find my sups and my protein shakes are a game changer IMO.

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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/15 10:17:44 (permalink)
I think too many people believe that by adding supplements it is going to dramatically increase their results whilst neglecting the basics of their diet, for example adding a protein shake and some creatine pwo is not the miracle to gaining loads of muscle!

Worse still is a lot of people quickly realise the above and turn to peds
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/15 10:41:50 (permalink)
Proper food>supplements

Yes there is far too much emphasis on them, most are a waste of money.
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/15 20:15:45 (permalink)
This is the supplement sub forum.
There are good no bs articles on here about supps. and good honest members. no one tries to push stuff. research and ask away if your unsure
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/15 20:29:26 (permalink)
There shouldn't be as food should be the number one priority, however saying that I enjoy buying a variety of supplements, including

Protein
Pre workouts
Intra workouts
Multi vits
Fish oils

And usually a fair variety of the first 3 in terms of flavours, products etc, but then I don't waste my money on drink, drugs or tobacco and enjoy the variety the above bring to my diet, keeps things all the more interesting whilst adding a little something extra to my training.

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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/16 18:40:53 (permalink)
Yes and no and I think a big proportion of the question should be geared towards the individual. Too much emphasis on supplements? The clue is in the name. It's not a substitute, it's a supplement and you cannot supplement a bad diet. However, there are certain minerals & vitamins that you cannot get from a regular diet which could have a "performance enhancing effect", such as Beta-alanine and Vitamin D. I think you'd need to eat kilos worth of turkey breast to get the amount of Beta-alanine you need.
 
When I say geared towards the individual, if you consider that the recommended dose of protein per individual is 1.5/2/3g of protein/kg of bodyweight then for someone who weighs say, 75kg that is easily done through whole foods, whereas if you have a 120-30kg monster then maybe not so much! And then price convenience becomes a factor as well..
 
There are no magic pills. Diet comes first, and then consider the supplements that are beneficial and then mayve some that are convenient...

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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/16 20:46:26 (permalink)
Omega 3 is an obvious good supp if fish aint you're thing (me).
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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/17 09:37:25 (permalink)
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Yes and no and I think a big proportion of the question should be geared towards the individual. Too much emphasis on supplements? The clue is in the name. It's not a substitute, it's a supplement and you cannot supplement a bad diet. However, there are certain minerals & vitamins that you cannot get from a regular diet which could have a "performance enhancing effect", such as Beta-alanine and Vitamin D. I think you'd need to eat kilos worth of turkey breast to get the amount of Beta-alanine you need.
 
When I say geared towards the individual, if you consider that the recommended dose of protein per individual is 1.5/2/3g of protein/kg of bodyweight then for someone who weighs say, 75kg that is easily done through whole foods, whereas if you have a 120-30kg monster then maybe not so much! And then price convenience becomes a factor as well..
 
There are no magic pills. Diet comes first, and then consider the supplements that are beneficial and then mayve some that are convenient...




This for me...
 
The key word is supplement. You buy things to supplement your daily diet. Food is key, always will be, and any gaps are plugged with supps. 
 
If I had the money, I'd get a regular full blood panel done and see what my body is lacking in etc then use supplements to plug those gaps.

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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/17 18:27:51 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby redwing 2014/11/17 18:58:16
kinghelmet
Not sure if anyone agrees with but do you think there is too much emphasis on supplements such as protein, creatine etc etc and not enough on a good solid diet?
 
This has been bugging me for a while, i understand protein companies make a huge amount of money from sales and who in their right minds would want to stop generating that kind of money.
 
I was in the gym on Monday and i overheard these two fairly young lads talking about buying protein from holland and barrett, they were talking about spending around £100 each. One of the lads said "I'm gonna buy this protein because it doesnt make you too big and it makes you lose fat around your muscles." The only reason i didnt tell him to spend more on food was because him and his friend generally prat around in the gym, throwing water at eachother etc and they **** me off.
 
Be interesting to hear what you guys think and what the supplements reps think.
 
Cheers and have a nice weekend.


Who exactly are you suggesting put too much emphasis on sports supplements? The companies who sell them? That's like saying Kwik Fit talk too much about tyres?
 
People need to educate themselves and decide if their diet needs 'supplementing' with nutrients to make it more efficient for them to complete their particular goals.
 
In response to your specific example, I don't think these boys put too much emphasis on supplements, they just don't understand how they should be used and what they should use. A lack of education as opposed to too much emphasis.

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Re: Too much emphasis on supplements? 2014/11/18 09:58:04 (permalink)
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...Who exactly are you suggesting put too much emphasis on sports supplements? The companies who sell them? That's like saying Kwik Fit talk too much about tyres?  ...

This analogy had me in stitches.  Thanks :)
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