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2006/07/14 17:44:00 (permalink)
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Training ON and OFF gear

Guys, a quick question if you please:) Basically Im at a loss as to whether someone who is not on gear should continue with their current proven routine once started on a cycle. I say proven as different people favour with different workout routines. Im an ecto and find 45 minutes 3 days a week seperating the push pull exercises with a day for legs and abs works a treat for me as long as I eat like a horse and eat clean.FURTHERMORE once you are on gear should you continue with the exact same training routine on completion of the cycle and PCT. At present Im in good shape but look more like a sprinter rather than a bodybuilder visually. I train a 3 day split so really my body parts are only getting hit once a week but this is the only thing thats been working for me.

I remember at the start of my training over a year ago one of the big meat-heads at the time told me I was doing it "ALL WRONG" and advised me to do a 5day gym split with basically only 1 or 2 muscles getting hit per day with like 2-4 exercises each and it killed me, OVERTRAINING. I even reduced it to four days and still i suffered from severe over training. I normally have extreme morning glory ( lol ) when I wake up but after trying these routines noticed a huge dip in sex drive and just general all round tiredness. Im about to start a 6 week cycle of Dianabol @ 30mg ed. I understand using the gear will give me better recovery, but enough so that I can increase my workload? I read many posts on this website and others and when I read what guys recommend Its way more than Im using now with natural training to build mass, bearing in mind im your typical ectomorph.

If I was to take a guess to my own question I assume I could train more on the gear and take it easy when Im not on it to maintain gains? Any help on this matter would be appreciated guys, thankyou
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    Papa Lazarou
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/14 17:50:18 (permalink)
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    Train the same as you do on gear as off. Eat as much on as off (or really you should consider it as eating as much off as when on as you need as much support for the muscle as possible).

    TBH in my book, you want to keep everything contsant on and off cycles. Perhaps drink a little more on cycle to help your liver.

    IMO.
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/14 17:52:34 (permalink)
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    You will not be able to train as heavy or with as much intensity off gear.
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/14 17:56:21 (permalink)
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    alot of routines for people on gear include training any given body part 2-3 times per week. I would entertain the idea of training a body part twice a week. That sounds good, but its not something that would work off gear, not for me i mean. Ive read the laymans guide to steroids. He underlines the fact that doing a full body monday wed and fri is the way to go. i have big doubts about that, but then again, Im only about to start using gear and dont know anything about steroids in terms of effects or gains from a first hand point of view, only what ive read.
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/14 17:57:30 (permalink)
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    I have been guilty of overtraining. I am going to cut it back to 3 days a week and see how i fair.
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/14 18:05:14 (permalink)
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    well i start my cycle tomorrow so Ill keep everyone posted on how its goin. thanks for the replies guys
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/14 21:59:54 (permalink)
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    just for you my friend Get big stay big
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/14 22:21:18 (permalink)
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    thanks for the link bro, although im a bit dim. basically its saying when u come off the gear train as frequently as you were if not more so, but not to failure and dont train as much in one session yes? if im off the mark sorry, i did say i was dim :)
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/14 22:37:06 (permalink)
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    No its saying when on gear train frequently as possible with a manageable load, and when you come off keep up the frequency for 4-6 weeks. In the routine outlined here's how it would be set out

    Day 1- 3 x 6-8 to absolute failure
    A1) Deadlift
    A2) Leg Press
    B) Calf Press

    Day 2- 3 x 6-8 to absolute failure
    A1) Dips
    A2) Supinated Grip Pullups
    B1) 30-degree Incline DB Bench Press
    B2) Seated Row
    C) Standing Dumbbell Military Press

    Day 3- 6x4 (no where near failure)
    A1) Deadlift
    A2) Leg Press
    B) Calf Press

    Day 4- 6x4 (no where near failure)
    A1) Dips
    A2) Supinated Grip Pullups
    B1) 30-degree Incline DB Bench Press
    B2) Seated Row


    Day 5- 2 x 10-12 to absolute failure
    A1) Deadlift
    A2) Leg Press
    B) Calf Press

    Day 6- 2 x 10-12 to absolute failure
    A1) Dips
    A2) Supinated Grip Pullups
    B1) 30-degree Incline DB Bench Press
    B2) Seated Row
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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/16 04:36:06 (permalink)
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    I've tried dbol over last few years, 25mg daily, 30 mg daily and even 40mg daily..I did get some agression gains, a little water and strength gains
    but virtually lost most /if not all gains...granted I powerlift 3 days weekly so can't say what it could do for you ? Obviously you are training more for muscle growth than myself

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    RE: Training ON and OFF gear 2006/07/16 07:23:58 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: tbowman
    I've tried dbol over last few years, 25mg daily, 30 mg daily and even 40mg daily..I did get some agression gains, a little water and strength gains
    but virtually lost most /if not all gains...granted I powerlift 3 days weekly so can't say what it could do for you ? Obviously you are training more for muscle growth than myself



    ive been trying to increase my strength lately with good results in growth. Prob when you come off is that you are fighting the weight loss. like above says - most if not all gains were lost when coming off.

    its a tough call, but to answer your question just keep training your balls off. all the time.

    Pain is just weakness leaving the body..
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