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Training hindered due to slow recovery!

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2007/06/07 00:40:14 (permalink)
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Training hindered due to slow recovery!

I have been noticing more and more that my training is being badly hindered due to slow recovery. There are a lot of days when i realllly want to train but i feel drained both physically and mentally. My training is mainly martial arts-based and includes a lot of cardio and bodyweight exercises. I lift weights once a week for strength (deadlift, bench & squat).

I have been thinking that it may be age creeping up on me, but i am only 30 and still feel young so i hope not. I have tried almost every approach for Recovery but none have fully worked.
Here are some of the things i've tried (and still do):
*Stretching
*Foam rolling
*Cold baths
*Supps - (mainly glutamine, creatine, CEE, tyrosine, hmb, osagi's NO2 stack, Vitamins and fish oils and not forgetting Whey)
*Herbal - Green Tea, wheat grass
*Stimulants - Caffeine, Ephedrine

I think i get plenty of rest (although i work shifts which doesn't help things) and my diet is reasonable, but i still feel constantly drained and tired. My legs are especially the slowest to recover and can take up to a week or more after a hard session.

Basically, i would be very grateful for any other suggestions on how to help speed-up the recovery process. All comments welcome.

Dave.
post edited by dangerousdavy - 2007/06/07 13:38:03

Hasta la vista baby!
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    colonel_clink
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 00:49:46 (permalink)
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    Could well be the shiftes mate.
    I am a shift worker and struggle sometimes, in fact when i'm on nights i dont even bother going to the gym because I feel soo drained.

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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 01:04:06 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: colonel_clink

    Could well be the shiftes mate.
    I am a shift worker and struggle sometimes, in fact when i'm on nights i dont even bother going to the gym because I feel soo drained.




    You are probably right. I would say the shifts have a big part to play as to why i feel constantly tired and drained but i would still like to know if there is anything i can do about it besides finding another job (Which i am already looking into).

    Hasta la vista baby!
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 01:10:57 (permalink)
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    i think you need to make sure you are eating enough carbs as well.

    when i used to boxing and was a damn site thinner than i am now i used to go through carbs like mad.

    if you are eating like a bodybuilder purely you can forget martial arts. i dont know if this helps at all.

    EDIT: see the list of supps is what you have tried. i wouldnt bother with any supplements for martial arts. but you can of course if you choose to.
    post edited by mart77 - 2007/06/07 01:23:28
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 01:30:29 (permalink)
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    Thanx for your reply mart.

    ORIGINAL: mart77

    i think you need to make sure you are eating enough carbs as well.


    I think i am getting plenty of carbs, but i dont want to eat too much as i want to stay lean and athletic.

    ORIGINAL: mart77

    if you are eating like a bodybuilder purely you can forget martial arts. i dont know if this helps at all.


    I am not eating like a bodybuilder. My diet is varied. Sometimes it is very good and i will eat chicken, tuna, veg, brown bread, weetabix etc, At other times i will relax and eat pizza and ice cream. It doesn't really seem to have an overall effect on my recovery as far as i can tell.

    ORIGINAL: mart77
    also i dont get why you are taking CEE and creatine at the same time. infact i wouldnt bother with really any supplements for martial arts. but you can of course if you choose to.


    I actually think supplements are about the only thing that can help speed up my recovery. I dont take CEE and creatine mono at the same time, I cycle a different one each month. Creatine mono mixed with dextrose is about the best supplement i have taken and it actually noticeably helps with recovery and strength. But i cant rely on this constantly.

    Hasta la vista baby!
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 01:35:55 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: mart77

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    if you are eating like a bodybuilder purely you can forget martial arts. i dont know if this helps at all.




    Why is that ?
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 01:46:20 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: gerrard


    ORIGINAL: mart77

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    if you are eating like a bodybuilder purely you can forget martial arts. i dont know if this helps at all.




    Why is that ?


    different goals different requirements, martial arts training is largely aerobic and uses alot of calories, no need for the high levels of protein a bodybuilder will need, more need on average for carbohydrates. will depend a bit on what martial art is being done but they are totally different sports.

    so my point is if you are doing martial arts and eating for body building then you wont be eating correctly. howver you interpret eating for body building if you are eating for the wrong sport it is incorrect by definition.
    post edited by mart77 - 2007/06/07 01:57:00
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 08:42:28 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: gerrard


    ORIGINAL: mart77

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    if you are eating like a bodybuilder purely you can forget martial arts. i dont know if this helps at all.




    Why is that ?


    martial arts = sport
    bodybuildingh = aesthetics
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 13:06:23 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: ToxicToffee


    ORIGINAL: gerrard


    ORIGINAL: mart77

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    if you are eating like a bodybuilder purely you can forget martial arts. i dont know if this helps at all.




    Why is that ?


    martial arts = sport
    bodybuildingh = aesthetics



    True but that doesn't mean you can't find a balance between both. There have been some good martial artists with muscular bodies. Obviously to compete at the highest level then it's a different story but 1 can enjoy both activities as hobbies or even take both of them seriously.
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 13:17:09 (permalink)
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    try some fat burners before ur exercise or ephedrine with some coffee, I find it hard to hit the gym as well some times and this is what I am doing. Try not to get addicted to it though:)
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 13:27:14 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: Cotsios

    try some fat burners before ur exercise or ephedrine with some coffee, I find it hard to hit the gym as well some times and this is what I am doing. Try not to get addicted to it though:)

    Yeah, i used to use that approach too, but it leaves me feeling too wired and too jittery. I am very receptive to stimulants and even a cup of coffee gets me buzzing. I try to stay away from stimulants now as i was addicted to them once and was constantly walking around buzzing, I was starting to lose the plot. Also, when training martial arts, you need to concentrate and think clearly while training and think the stims would affect me negatively here.

    Hasta la vista baby!
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 13:29:51 (permalink)
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    True but that doesn't mean you can't find a balance between both. There have been some good martial artists with muscular bodies. Obviously to compete at the highest level then it's a different story but 1 can enjoy both activities as hobbies or even take both of them seriously.


    There are martial artists that look more like bodybuilders than some who consider themselves bodybuilders eating and training for bodybuilding....

    Yeah you can have a great balance between image and function. Toxic is true, if your goal is to compete then sacrifices should be made. Everyone else can get pretty damn big and look good whilst maintaining a good cardio level with impressive agility, speed and balance.

    Stick with the supps, they are essential in any sport.

    I'd eat more carbs. If your drained all the time it could be due to lack of them, which will make you train with less intensity. More carbs, train harder, recover better, stay leaner


    M
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 20:12:07 (permalink)
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    I realize carbs are important but i cant be eating too many as i need to stay lean and around my competition weight (about 13 stone). I am already putting on a few excessive pounds. Too many carbs = weight gain.

    Hasta la vista baby!
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    RE: Training hindered due to slow recovery! 2007/06/07 20:18:38 (permalink)
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    ORIGINAL: dangerousdavy

    I realize carbs are important but i cant be eating too many as i need to stay lean and around my competition weight (about 13 stone). I am already putting on a few excessive pounds. Too many carbs = weight gain.


    too many calories = weight gain
    im going to go back to carbs as im wondering how many of your calories come from carbs vs other sources.
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