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2004/03/19 20:26:01 (permalink)
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Training problems

Hey Guys!

I need some help here. been training for 2-3 years now, but I have a problem with my left side. Shoulders, arms, chest. My left side are considerably weaker and smaller than my right. I seem to have problems contracting the muscle. Like when doing barbel curls, I can feel the pinch in my bicep on the right side but nothing like that on my left. Same with shoulder presses. This is really hindering my progress as im not working my right side much if at all.

Now i've started doing flat& incline dumbell presses for chest and it seems to be working ok and i can really feel each side work hard. But shoulders and arms are still not. So im asking if any of you guys have any advice or exercises to help me re-address this balance.
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    AUTIGER
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/19 22:31:06 (permalink)
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    you could lower the weight so that your left arm is doing 100% effort but your right arm will be at about 85%. this will lower the strength of your right arm but it will eventually even them out. then you can start gaining again from there. this way you won't be completely neglecting your right arm but it will be making your left stronger. I have no strength differences but my left arm is half an inch smaller than my right...strange!
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/21 01:44:38 (permalink)
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    Start doing lots more with dumbells.
    Use a weight that is limited by you left side not your right.
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/21 03:04:25 (permalink)
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    have ya tried posing tencing ya weak side real hard bit by bit every night this should improve your ability to contract the muscle which should positivly affect your training. i agree dunbells may help in the short term but overall their not as good a mass builder.
    Do you watch your form in the mirror when you train if not do so everyone has a naturally weak side so its easy to lean slightly on way or the other this is especialy true with pressing movements. when doing barbell work try dropping the weight a bit and make sure that you are not leading slightly with ya strong side as this is also an easy mistake to make. this simply be a slight natural muscular imbalance that has been blown out of all proportion by years of slightly bad training.Hope this helps
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/21 04:11:59 (permalink)
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    if you have a training partner get him/her to watch your form.
    also when you say considerably weaker, have you an example?

    most people have an imbalance. it should even itself out sooner or later. or if you're unfortunate - never at all. whats your full routine?
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/21 12:38:08 (permalink)
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    quote:
    i agree dunbells may help in the short term but overall their not as good a mass builder.

    why are they not a good mass builder?
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/21 14:46:50 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by JohnOvManchester

    i agree dunbells may help in the short term but overall their not as good a mass builder.

    why are they not a good mass builder?

    i didn't say they were no good i said they were not as good. you can handle more weight with a bar which(with the exception of machines which are a waste of time for the most part) makes them a better mass builder for me anyway. I mean its harder to keep balance on the lower rep dunbell stuff. and u can take that theory futher why not do dunbell curls with a barbell the reason being it is hard to balance, to the extent that u would not be able to use enough weight to make it worth while. to a lesser extent this is the same with dumbells and barbells (a much lesser extent of course)
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/21 15:47:33 (permalink)
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    i think its the opposite...there has been a thread like this before, and i believe db are tougher and you would therefore lift a smaller weight but its still a great builder because of the fact that u need to balance and keep perfect form...ill try to look for the thread...

    the reason y some ppl would take the bb over the db was because the lower weight would dammage their ego...so if ur more obsessed with numbers then go for the bb
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/21 16:14:52 (permalink)
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    i rememeber that thread as well YIT. and i agree as well on DB being great because of the balance factor.
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/21 17:03:04 (permalink)
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    Take for instance DB bench press with this you have to make sure you keep your arms going vertical without any horizontal motion. While with BB you can put all effort into just getting that bar up without worry about DB falling either side.
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/22 00:18:09 (permalink)
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    dumbbells recruit more stabilisers.

    this makes the exercise more of a compound exercise.

    compound exercises are good for hypertrophy.

    so an exercise which is more of a compound than another compound will therefore be more productive.

    theoretically. its good to switch between the 2 - dummbbells and barbells.
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/22 01:30:26 (permalink)
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    nice one block....u pretty much gave the points of the thread AUTIGER and I were thinking of...
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/22 18:50:21 (permalink)
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    dumbbells recruit more stabilisers.

    Wrong, stabilisers aren't recruited, muscle fibers are, this whole notion of stabilisers and that balancing a dumbell makes an exercise more productive is pure bullsh#t.

    Balancing a DB does not make an exercise harder all is does is provide a different motor learning curve, your muscles don't know whether you are using a DB, barbell or what have you as they respond to stress. Switching between the two merely creates a motor learning nightmare.

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    with the exception of machines which are a waste of time for the most part)
    Again pure bullsh#t, such machines as hammer strength can produce better gains from 1 set due to the deeper inroads they create than any barbell or dumbell exercise of the same type. These machines, provide balanced, varied and direct and even rotary resistance few if any barbell exercises can do this, and on this basis it makes the machine exercise more productive as they fatigue the muscles to a deep level, making them more effecient and they require less overall exercise therby creating lesser inroad into recovery abilty allowing more for growth.

    Everyone has one side smaller than the other this is simply down to neurological effeciency. If it is severe it may be worth going haviing someone check yout form or it could be something to do with your body structure.

    Paul
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/22 19:46:31 (permalink)
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    Why am I still having to correct your basic errors Paul? At what point are you going to read a book an anatomy or exercise physiology so that you can stop spouting your misguided nonsense
    What errors? As what i state can be verified.

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    Your muscles know exactly the difference between a DB and a BB as completely different kinetic chains and muscle recruitment patterns will be used. They don't respond to stress they respond to tension and recruitment
    LOL...so i guess GAS has no bearing then?....what a dickhead.

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    Unsurprisingly you're completely wrong again. Just read through the post again, you might notice that you didn't actually say anything that tells me or anyone else why machines might be superior. All you did was spew ad nauseam some biased pseudo-science that you picked up from some discredited mad man. WHY do machines provide more fatigue? WHY can't a free weight exercise be balanced, or varied or rotary (rotary LOL)? WHY are they more efficient? In the first sentence you say that machines create deeper inroads (inroads LOL), yet in the last sentence apparently they create less inroads (snigger) into recovery ability? Feel free to explain


    I'm not even going to bother to waste my time as the above clearly shows you haven't got a fcuking clue what you are talking about. Your use of LOL and snigger shows just what an immature asshole you are. Tell you what, why don't you come to my board or the IART board and spout your bull**** then we'll see how clever you are.
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/22 20:50:06 (permalink)
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    Well I had been enjoying reading this post until it started to get a tad petty!

    Marso, your flaming is blatently out of order, and you know it is! In fairness J5 you did patronise him with the LOL and snigger, not the most conbstructive way of argueing/debating.

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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/22 22:40:20 (permalink)
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    LOL..... On the basis of this thread I might say that you should both sod off to another board!

    Marso's first post is wrong, and also a bit rude. But J5 you could have told him this in a civil manner, rather than the snide tone you chose.

    Then the flames started. Blah.

    Listen, I would actually prefer you both to stay here at MT. But if you must talk to each other, then please do so in an adult fashion. Think of this as a request. Thanks.
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/22 22:43:31 (permalink)
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    Illmatic..... If I were you mate I would do more work with dumbells. In fact, if the problem is as great as you've said, I might train only my left arm for a month or so, that should help bring it up.
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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/23 13:23:52 (permalink)
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    I was referring to your misinterpretation of GAS. Your problem is that you take 'stress' to mean something that it doesn't. You take stress to mean 'muscular fatigue' which infact in this case it doesn't. GAS as applied to lifting weights means tension and recruitment in it's basic form.



    I don't take stress to mean muscualar fatigue and this is were you keep falling down, you keep assuming what I'm talking about. Stress can be applied in many ways, it's a reaction to which the body responds too, in the case of weight training, it's applied via overload via whateve means, if a machine can invoke a stronger alarm reaction then on this basis it makes it more effective than a barbell, balance has nothing to do with it,as energy expended balancing could be better spent on other things.


    From my first post here you seem to have latched on to me, I've tried to remain civil in your continual and childish posts, labeling me as HIT, close minded, defeatist, etc.


    In repsonse to the other boards, they merely confirmed what I already knew. I'm through bebating with you and this board. I make no apologies, for the style in which i post.

    Paul.





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    RE: Training problems 2004/03/28 13:35:39 (permalink)
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    WOW, not checked the board for a while. Thanks for replies guys.

    Ive started using dumbells for the majority of my exercises. Its not just my arm that is having problem, i just seem to have a general problem recruiting the muscle on the left side be it arm, shoulder, lat & leg..i must have some messed up genetics or something[:p]

    i may just try to train my left arm, say an extra set or two on like shoulder press, curls etc etc.
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