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2009/07/31 09:58:08 (permalink)
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Transistion from natural to steroids

I've trained and competed at a natural level and now i want to take the step over and use some extra chemical supplements to get some substantial gains.

I was wondering if there are any golden rules to go by for example choosing the right time to take your pct.. ect

All your advice would be much appreciated
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    hamiltonsfitness
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/07/31 10:08:02 (permalink)
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    How far have you got as a natural?
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/07/31 10:10:36 (permalink)
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    I came 3rd in the novice bnbf welsh this year. Got an invite to the british finals but my diet and whole way of life for the last 16 weeks has taken it out of me so i'm not competing this year. if i choose to do it again i may try the classic in the ukbff
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/07/31 11:23:11 (permalink)
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    timshaw, first rule is to make sure you trust your source, do not buy from any of those online websites, go to a reliable source. And if your competing i'm assuming you already know about training hard and eating clean. Also check some injection guides as well.
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/07/31 12:54:32 (permalink)
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    from looking at the many 'First cycle' threads and some articles i think i'm going to try some testosternone cyprinate. I'm going to have a look about what to use as the PCT and for how long. But only just getting back training after a few weeks off and my pre contest dieting. So when i'm up to full natural strength i'll give it a bash
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/08/01 00:53:39 (permalink)
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    first rule is to make sure you trust your source, do not buy from any of those online websites, go to a reliable source

     
    why is this fella alot of people use online pharms and speak highly of them?
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/08/01 09:02:43 (permalink)
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    Good sound advice apx get your injection tec sorted and do as much reading on here as you can mate the search engine on here is very good.

    As for online sources some are hit and miss personaly id prefer local sources alot easer to check your gear first

    the pct guide on this bord will cover wot you need and when to start taking it ,always have your pct meds at the start then if you run out of money you have it covered
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/08/01 09:15:28 (permalink)
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    Timshaw id go for a 10 week cycle of Pharma Test E @ 500mg Pw you will get good gains off this as its your 1st, your 1st is usually your best mate and if you know how to train and eat properley then you will be in for a nice suprise.

    PCT Keep it simple on the 1st cycle something like:

    2 weeks after last jab of Test

    Nolva
    Week 1: 40mg ed
    Week 2: 20mg ed
    Week 3: 20mg ed

    You could add Clomid to this or HCG in to the cycle but imo recovery will be a walk in the park after your 1st cycle if you stick to 10 weeks.

    Stock up on Protein shakes plan your meals, make sure you have everything ready your full cycle incase source dries up and have the Nolva to hand incase gyno occurs.

    Enjoy mate, your about to put on over a stone of muscle
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/08/01 09:33:14 (permalink)
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    Blue_Lagoon3000

    Timshaw id go for a 10 week cycle of Pharma Test E @ 500mg Pw you will get good gains off this as its your 1st, your 1st is usually your best mate and if you know how to train and eat properley then you will be in for a nice suprise.

    PCT Keep it simple on the 1st cycle something like:

    2 weeks after last jab of Test

    Nolva
    Week 1: 40mg ed
    Week 2: 20mg ed
    Week 3: 20mg ed

    You could add Clomid to this or HCG in to the cycle but imo recovery will be a walk in the park after your 1st cycle if you stick to 10 weeks.

    Stock up on Protein shakes plan your meals, make sure you have everything ready your full cycle incase source dries up and have the Nolva to hand incase gyno occurs.

    Enjoy mate, your about to put on over a stone of muscle



    Yeah i've got my diet planned out on a spreadsheet but try to steer clear of shakes as much as i can you know you waste 40% of whey so i have a blend in the morning and some hydrolysed why pwo.

    What does 'ed' stand for regarding the pct?

    And what is gyno. Sounds like a bad thing!

    Looking forward to starting

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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/08/01 12:18:45 (permalink)
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    ED stands for every day mate and gyno is when you develope puff nipples through the test converting to estrogen some suffer others dont but you will soon find out if your one of the lucky ones

    And like blue said enjoy your first one mate its usualy your best
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/08/01 15:36:26 (permalink)
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    Great. Thanks for the feed back
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/08/01 16:03:45 (permalink)
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    By the way if you were to get any signs of Gyno then Nolva will stop it almost immediatley, make sure you have nolva to hand just incase
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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/12/05 18:26:39 (permalink)
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    Blue_Lagoon3000

    By the way if you were to get any signs of Gyno then Nolva will stop it almost immediatley, make sure you have nolva to hand just incase



    If you are unlucky enough to develop these symptoms, are they reversible? 

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    Re:Transistion from natural to steroids 2009/12/07 01:38:13 (permalink)
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    Blue_Lagoon3000

    Timshaw id go for a 10 week cycle of Pharma Test E @ 500mg Pw you will get good gains off this as its your 1st, your 1st is usually your best mate and if you know how to train and eat properley then you will be in for a nice suprise.

    PCT Keep it simple on the 1st cycle something like:

    2 weeks after last jab of Test

    Nolva
    Week 1: 40mg ed
    Week 2: 20mg ed
    Week 3: 20mg ed

    You could add Clomid to this or HCG in to the cycle but imo recovery will be a walk in the park after your 1st cycle if you stick to 10 weeks.

    Stock up on Protein shakes plan your meals, make sure you have everything ready your full cycle incase source dries up and have the Nolva to hand incase gyno occurs.

    Enjoy mate, your about to put on over a stone of muscle



    Not sure if I agree with this some people may gain 5-10 pounds others 10-15 + But vary's quite a lot, were taking LBM here, not fat, not water, pure Lean body mass. Now I gained about 25pounds on my first but I theres no way that it was all muscle, I over ate and become big, but also gained quite a bit of fat.

    and I wouldn't do that cycle blue suggested without an AI.

    So clear things up a little.....

    Test E/C or Sust. Whatevers cheapest,
    just make sure your getting it from a realable source, ask around, you've competed so no doubt you know alot of BB's allready. Find someone you can trust, I went UG with my first inject, did the job, BD Prop (stung like a b*tch tho)


    So Test E/c or Sust 250. run at 500mg a week, you can front load the first week to see faster results, this means doing 2x 2ml shots, assuming your gear is 250mg/ml. then 2 shots a week of 1ml.

    BLoat,

    Longer esters tend to aromatise, now if you want your face to look bloat like the moon, be puffy, get shin pumps and increased blood presure, bitch tits (gyno)  then dont take a AI.

    But if ur smart then, take 0.5mg adex EOD or E3D. This will combat many of the side effects mentioned above.

    Nolva should always be on hand, and HCG is a great addition to get your natural test going, I like to run it to keep my boys normal size after about week 3 onwards. And when it comes to coming off the gear your test levels are back up so good for keeping your hard worked for gains.

    Clomid is good to be used for PCT also, but dont have to worry about this just now.

    Quote Roman Shield:

    "If you are unlucky enough to develop these symptoms, are they reversible?  "

    gyno can be stoped in early stages yes, nolva is good, but preventing the steroids from aromatising in the first place makes sence as I mentioned with a-dex. Letro completely kills estrogen and if your that worried, get some of this as it has been known to reverse gyno in some users. Roman Shield do alot more reading and come back to us.

    Hope this clears things up for you guys

    BUFF
    post edited by BUFF STUFF - 2009/12/07 20:46:01
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