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2014/12/15 02:12:17 (permalink)

Var advice

I am sure this must have been asked previously but I have done a lot of reading on this subject and seem to get some conflicting opinions (I know this tends to happen on varies subjects lol)
So I thought I would ask a few questions here and see what some of the trusted sources say...

I'm a starting Anavar in 2weeks (halfway through a test sus cycle) and have been advised to run some liver protection in the way of Liv52 DS.
I am going to order some (there's a sticky post on here I believe) but after lots of Reading on when and how much etc, I came across a few people suggesting that you should only run it after a course because it will kill the benefits of the test?

Up until reading this, I was intending on running it pre, during and post cycle
Is there any truth in this?

Also interested in people opinion on how much to take per day? And if it should be split throughout the day.

I'm starting off running 80mg ed for 5weeks (I was advised to go for 100mg - again there seems to he very varied opinions on dosage and strength of versions of Var. Happy to post the type I have if that helps?) as I'm a tad wary of the potential "insane pump" and painful back pump etc that some suffer from.

I've got some Taurine and will be drinking as much water as possible and eating bananas etc to try and stem any pump issues.
Also have some Flax to hand.
I will also of course be running pct afterwards

Is there anything else I should consider?

All advice appreciated. Thanks in advance
post edited by SteveD - 2014/12/15 02:24:33
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 07:32:55 (permalink)
    I wouldn't bother with any liver support at all. Liver toxicity is grossly exaggerated on forums, if you're healthy your liver can take it.
     
    Besides as with any "natural" supplement, I have serious doubts Liv52 really does much or anything at all.
    post edited by Uriel - 2014/12/15 07:34:20
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 09:20:35 (permalink)
    Iirc var is metabolised in the kidneys and not the liver (hence being used to treat patients with liver disease) so it shouldn't be liver toxic anyway. That's if you're tabs actually contain anavar ;)
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 12:09:36 (permalink)
    didn't think var was liver toxic tbh
     
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 12:46:31 (permalink)
    http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-and-testosterone-information/35587-anavar.html

    From what I've reason a few places it is but not much. I'm not overly worries tbh pre worries about the painful pumps lol) but thought I'd check and or be cautious

    According to a fair few studies (take from that what you will haha) Liv 52 is very effective and has a number of benefits
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 12:54:29 (permalink)
    Kaneda
    Iirc var is metabolised in the kidneys and not the liver (hence being used to treat patients with liver disease) so it shouldn't be liver toxic anyway. That's if you're tabs actually contain anavar ;)



    Mine are from a "good source" but there seems to be lots of 'fake' Var...
    Some with little or no actual Var in it. Is it worth me posting what type I have to see if anyone recognises it?
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 13:07:09 (permalink)
    you could post pics of them on the fakes thread mate
     
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 13:09:05 (permalink)
    voodoo ninja
    you could post pics of them on the fakes thread mate
     
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    Cheers bud, I'll do that
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 13:17:32 (permalink)
    Anavar is 17-alpha alkylated and like all such anabolic steroids is liver toxic. I know of no real scientific data linking any anabolic steroid to kidney damage in people with otherwise healthy kidneys.
     
    But liver toxicity doesn't mean you're gonna get cirrhosis and die. It depends on how much for how long. The same way that you can drink a shot of whisky every day for years (which is also liver toxic) without causing permanent damage, you can also run a cycle of anavar with some very mild liver damage that'll fix itself when you stop. Assuming you're not gonna use 200mg of anavar a day for six months, of course.
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 13:20:34 (permalink)
    always thought var was non toxic and that's why it's 3 times as expensive as winny.
     
    same with turinabol vrs dbol
     
    live and learn eh - just found out the nutmeg is a hallucinogenic too
     
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 13:35:00 (permalink)
    Seems reasonable :) I'm only running 80-100mg for 5 weeks, so doubt I'll have any issues
    Maybe I'll just take some after the course to aid in any needed recovery (it can't hurt after all)

    Thanks for the replies gents
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 21:41:50 (permalink)
    What lab is the var?
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/15 22:33:50 (permalink)
    Tbh I'm not sure. I out a pic of the packaging in the legit/fake sticky thread (it's right at the bottom of the thread)
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/16 13:42:01 (permalink)
    Anavar by itself is pointless and a waste of money, the money spent would be spent better on food.
    You will gain a few extra lbs of lean mass on the course and keep that afterwards pretty well but by the end of PCT, it probably won't have been worth the money. Liver support won't be needed if you don't plan on drinking and are drinking plenty of water. Remember these are herbal liver support supplements, they can't do a whole lot.

     
     
     
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/16 13:53:00 (permalink)
    Reficx
    Anavar by itself is pointless and a waste of money, the money spent would be spent better on food.
    You will gain a few extra lbs of lean mass on the course and keep that afterwards pretty well but by the end of PCT, it probably won't have been worth the money. Liver support won't be needed if you don't plan on drinking and are drinking plenty of water. Remember these are herbal liver support supplements, they can't do a whole lot.




    It's not a waste of money if you're looking for strength gains and to stay inside a weight class though.

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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/16 15:17:18 (permalink)
    I'm starting the Var half way through a test cycle
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/16 17:50:33 (permalink)
    Ah right, that makes more sense then.
    The_lone_wolf, you're right with that one. Still a lot to spend just to gain 5-10kgs on each lift at most.

     
     
     
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/16 18:20:09 (permalink)
    Out of interest why are you....."starting Anavar (halfway through a test sus cycle)" ?
     
    To bridge between the end of the sust n PCT? or are you cutting for anything?

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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/16 19:25:03 (permalink)
    Im going away after Xmas, so want to cut abit. It's also the first time I've used Var, do dipping my toe in the water and seeing what effects I see
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    Re: Var advice 2014/12/25 14:29:43 (permalink)
    Picked up some GSL lab var 50x40mg. Anyone used this type.
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