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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 14:52:48 (permalink)
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I have spoken before about how we've been far too successful as a species. I have personally made a choice not to have children but that doesn't mean I condem those who do.

I have been called a nazi in the past because I have views that I've been told are closely aligned with eugenics. I have not researched the subject of eugenics enough to know if there's any basis in truth for those accusations. It seems everyone's a nazi these days if they aren't far far left.

All I know is that I understood from an early age that bringing a child into this world was a major undertaking and I knew that I wanted no part of it.
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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 14:57:28 (permalink)
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Appreciate the answer.

I'm not trying to belittle your views or values , just trying to gain a greater understanding myself.
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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 15:24:29 (permalink)
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I have spoken before about how we've been far too successful as a species. I have personally made a choice not to have children but that doesn't mean I condem those who do.

I have been called a nazi in the past because I have views that I've been told are closely aligned with eugenics. I have not researched the subject of eugenics enough to know if there's any basis in truth for those accusations. It seems everyone's a nazi these days if they aren't far far left.

All I know is that I understood from an early age that bringing a child into this world was a major undertaking and I knew that I wanted no part of it.


Off topic, but isn’t bringing kids into the world the mechanism to change it?

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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 15:40:34 (permalink)
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I have spoken before about how we've been far too successful as a species. I have personally made a choice not to have children but that doesn't mean I condem those who do.

I have been called a nazi in the past because I have views that I've been told are closely aligned with eugenics. I have not researched the subject of eugenics enough to know if there's any basis in truth for those accusations. It seems everyone's a nazi these days if they aren't far far left.

All I know is that I understood from an early age that bringing a child into this world was a major undertaking and I knew that I wanted no part of it.


Off topic, but isn’t bringing kids into the world the mechanism to change it?


Possibly. But it's a total lottery. How your children turn out can often be pure luck. Many people believe that if you don't have money then you shouldn't have kids, yet I know massively wealthy people whose kids have had it all. The best education money can buy, all the contacts in the world to get on in life. Yet there's something missing and through no real fault of the parents they end up commiting suicide. This is not particularly unusual. There is even a name for it. Affluenza.

Yet equally I know kids whose parents have major disabilities and they act as carers for the people who brought them into this world. The 13 year old girl two doors down from me has a mother with MS and she is her only carer. If there was a way of designing your child then this young girl is the child I'd want. She is one of the most remarkable people I have ever met but the burden she carries, without any complaint is incredible.

I'm not against people having children and my views aren't scientific. I just think most people would be better off not having children. I try desperately not to fall into nihilism when it comes to this subject but sometimes Rusty makes too many good points for me to ignore. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eRtxe7b_SQQ
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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 15:56:55 (permalink)
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I have spoken before about how we've been far too successful as a species. I have personally made a choice not to have children but that doesn't mean I condem those who do.

I have been called a nazi in the past because I have views that I've been told are closely aligned with eugenics. I have not researched the subject of eugenics enough to know if there's any basis in truth for those accusations. It seems everyone's a nazi these days if they aren't far far left.

All I know is that I understood from an early age that bringing a child into this world was a major undertaking and I knew that I wanted no part of it.


Off topic, but isn’t bringing kids into the world the mechanism to change it?


Possibly. But it's a total lottery. How your children turn out can often be pure luck. Many people believe that if you don't have money then you shouldn't have kids, yet I know massively wealthy people whose kids have had it all. The best education money can buy, all the contacts in the world to get on in life. Yet there's something missing and through no real fault of the parents they end up commiting suicide.




Thats because we are taught that happiness is found from out side of ourselves. money, cars, women/men. Many famous people kill them selves, many people seek out fame, money or love just to find it hasn't changed their fundamental happiness.
 
That's why I been looking into Buddhism, theres no god that will give you the answers, or anything object/s that'll give you lasting satisfaction. You already have everything you need to be happy. 
 
Thats what I will try to teach my children anyway.

I do a lot of push ups and sit ups. And I drink plenty of milk.

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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 16:29:20 (permalink)
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I have spoken before about how we've been far too successful as a species. I have personally made a choice not to have children but that doesn't mean I condem those who do.

I have been called a nazi in the past because I have views that I've been told are closely aligned with eugenics. I have not researched the subject of eugenics enough to know if there's any basis in truth for those accusations. It seems everyone's a nazi these days if they aren't far far left.

All I know is that I understood from an early age that bringing a child into this world was a major undertaking and I knew that I wanted no part of it.


Off topic, but isn’t bringing kids into the world the mechanism to change it?


Possibly. But it's a total lottery. How your children turn out can often be pure luck. Many people believe that if you don't have money then you shouldn't have kids, yet I know massively wealthy people whose kids have had it all. The best education money can buy, all the contacts in the world to get on in life. Yet there's something missing and through no real fault of the parents they end up commiting suicide.




Thats because we are taught that happiness is found from out side of ourselves. money, cars, women/men. Many famous people kill them selves, many people seek out fame, money or love just to find it hasn't changed their fundamental happiness.
 
That's why I been looking into Buddhism, theres no god that will give you the answers, or anything object/s that'll give you lasting satisfaction. You already have everything you need to be happy. 
 
Thats what I will try to teach my children anyway.


Most of these rich parents are into yoga, Buddhism and the like. Yet their kids are still killing themselves. There is a lot to be said for these philosophies, I myself practice Stoicism daily, but it takes hard work and discipline to condition your mind so we can stop focusing on a past that we cannot change and prevent worrying about a future which has not yet happened.

I don't believe that children are as resilient as many people claim. I believe that young minds are massively vulnerable.
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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 16:34:28 (permalink)
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I have spoken before about how we've been far too successful as a species. I have personally made a choice not to have children but that doesn't mean I condem those who do.

I have been called a nazi in the past because I have views that I've been told are closely aligned with eugenics. I have not researched the subject of eugenics enough to know if there's any basis in truth for those accusations. It seems everyone's a nazi these days if they aren't far far left.

All I know is that I understood from an early age that bringing a child into this world was a major undertaking and I knew that I wanted no part of it.


Off topic, but isn’t bringing kids into the world the mechanism to change it?


Possibly. But it's a total lottery. How your children turn out can often be pure luck. Many people believe that if you don't have money then you shouldn't have kids, yet I know massively wealthy people whose kids have had it all. The best education money can buy, all the contacts in the world to get on in life. Yet there's something missing and through no real fault of the parents they end up commiting suicide.




Thats because we are taught that happiness is found from out side of ourselves. money, cars, women/men. Many famous people kill them selves, many people seek out fame, money or love just to find it hasn't changed their fundamental happiness.
 
That's why I been looking into Buddhism, theres no god that will give you the answers, or anything object/s that'll give you lasting satisfaction. You already have everything you need to be happy. 
 
Thats what I will try to teach my children anyway.


Most of these rich parents are into yoga, Buddhism and the like. Yet their kids are still killing themselves. There is a lot to be said for these philosophies, I myself practice Stoicism daily, but it takes hard work and discipline to condition your mind so we can stop focusing on a past that we cannot change and prevent worrying about a future which has not yet happened.

I don't believe that children are as resilient as many people claim. I believe that young minds are massively vulnerable.



I think they are pretty simular.
 


I do a lot of push ups and sit ups. And I drink plenty of milk.

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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 16:45:31 (permalink)
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I have spoken before about how we've been far too successful as a species. I have personally made a choice not to have children but that doesn't mean I condem those who do.

I have been called a nazi in the past because I have views that I've been told are closely aligned with eugenics. I have not researched the subject of eugenics enough to know if there's any basis in truth for those accusations. It seems everyone's a nazi these days if they aren't far far left.

All I know is that I understood from an early age that bringing a child into this world was a major undertaking and I knew that I wanted no part of it.


Off topic, but isn’t bringing kids into the world the mechanism to change it?


Possibly. But it's a total lottery. How your children turn out can often be pure luck. Many people believe that if you don't have money then you shouldn't have kids, yet I know massively wealthy people whose kids have had it all. The best education money can buy, all the contacts in the world to get on in life. Yet there's something missing and through no real fault of the parents they end up commiting suicide.




Thats because we are taught that happiness is found from out side of ourselves. money, cars, women/men. Many famous people kill them selves, many people seek out fame, money or love just to find it hasn't changed their fundamental happiness.
 
That's why I been looking into Buddhism, theres no god that will give you the answers, or anything object/s that'll give you lasting satisfaction. You already have everything you need to be happy. 
 
Thats what I will try to teach my children anyway.


Most of these rich parents are into yoga, Buddhism and the like. Yet their kids are still killing themselves. There is a lot to be said for these philosophies, I myself practice Stoicism daily, but it takes hard work and discipline to condition your mind so we can stop focusing on a past that we cannot change and prevent worrying about a future which has not yet happened.

I don't believe that children are as resilient as many people claim. I believe that young minds are massively vulnerable.

yup , I think some people have completely lost touch with reality in the modern world , I really do wonder what suicide rates where thousands of years ago , up to 100-200 years ago when life expectancy was lower and life was perceived as being much harder than it is now , a lot of kids now whether well off or from famous rich parents or from poor parents really have no purpose or survival instinct , they either have everything given to them on a plate or they are looked after from cradle to grave by the state( or tax payers) probably the first time in history ( millions of years) where survival of the fittest has been eliminated and the runts have been allowed to breed generation after generation and rather than be eliminated they have been rewarded .
 
Good post that Billy2 thats kind of where I was coming from , I just could put it in to words like you did .
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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 16:45:43 (permalink)
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Yes there is a connect between Stoicism and Buddhism but the difficulty is in the practice. It's not easy to train your mind. Just like it's not easy to train your body. It takes time and effort. Humans in general don't like things that take time and effort. We have become very soft.
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Re: Veganism has gone from 1% to 7% in 2 years. 2018/04/24 17:28:39 (permalink)
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I have spoken before about how we've been far too successful as a species. I have personally made a choice not to have children but that doesn't mean I condem those who do.

I have been called a nazi in the past because I have views that I've been told are closely aligned with eugenics. I have not researched the subject of eugenics enough to know if there's any basis in truth for those accusations. It seems everyone's a nazi these days if they aren't far far left.

All I know is that I understood from an early age that bringing a child into this world was a major undertaking and I knew that I wanted no part of it.


Off topic, but isn’t bringing kids into the world the mechanism to change it?


Possibly. But it's a total lottery. How your children turn out can often be pure luck. Many people believe that if you don't have money then you shouldn't have kids, yet I know massively wealthy people whose kids have had it all. The best education money can buy, all the contacts in the world to get on in life. Yet there's something missing and through no real fault of the parents they end up commiting suicide. This is not particularly unusual. There is even a name for it. Affluenza.

Yet equally I know kids whose parents have major disabilities and they act as carers for the people who brought them into this world. The 13 year old girl two doors down from me has a mother with MS and she is her only carer. If there was a way of designing your child then this young girl is the child I'd want. She is one of the most remarkable people I have ever met but the burden she carries, without any complaint is remarkable.

I'm not against people having children and my views aren't scientific. I just think most people would be better off not having children. I try desperately not to fall into nihilism when it comes to this subject but sometimes Rusty makes too many good points for me to ignore. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eRtxe7b_SQQ


I respect your decision, my ethos is now and has been for a number of years Faith Folk Family, on a simplistic note (which is how it should be) that’s why we’re here.

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