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Very important Fruit Question (and cutting)

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2007/06/13 22:20:56 (permalink)

Very important Fruit Question (and cutting)

My diet has always been generally clean, but the last few months I have not been training due to a cancer lump I had removed from my knee a while back. Recently I have been hitting it hard and getting back on track with strict eating for a good cut and training. One thing I think has MAYBE brought on a lot of this excess fat and stopping me from dropping these pounds is fruit.

Who here even eats it? I never see any posts of diets while I’ve been here that say fruit is part of their daily intake.

Is fruit a no-no for a cut due to the sugars?

basically I drink a large 'zumo' smoothie every day, for the past 3 months, they all contain about 5 servings of fruit, maybe more I dunno (this is not an off the shelf drink, they get the fruits there and then and put them in the blender, also no yogart, literally Just fruit only so dont get the wrong idea). Roughly the equivalent of 3 squeezed oranges, a banana, some raspberries and some crushed pares (for example, obviously they all vary). Is this too much fruit for anyone, especially someone trying to cut?

I’m trying to loose 1.5 pounds per week for the next 4 months before my holiday, this will cut every bit of fat on my body, probably bring me down to 5% or so. I’m not interested in making gains, all I’m trying to do is retain my frame, and stay defined and not pointlessly burn muscle, so with that I am going to start drinking Labrada Lean Body Breakfast MRP and so i dont starve myself of protein because of my lifting, a protein shake during the day.

So do I need to drop the 'zumo' to cut, and just stick to say 1 banana a day or 1 apple etc?
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    theiopener
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 22:25:47 (permalink)
    fruit and cutting should not be avoided. Generally fruit is best eaten in the morning and the best fruitds are skin on apples, blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, pineapple, watermelon and all melon in general, oranges, grapefruit lemons and limes. Id say drop the shakes and MRP powders as well and eat real food
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 22:36:48 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    Generally fruit is best eaten in the morning and the best fruitds are skin on apples, blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, pineapple, watermelon and all melon in general, oranges, grapefruit lemons and limes.


    best in what way?
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 22:41:44 (permalink)
    liver glycogen levels are low and fruit is high in fructose which will replnish liver glycogen quicker hence why best to have it at breakfast. Also the fruits listed are negative calorie foods using up more calories being digested that what they contain
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 22:53:59 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    liver glycogen levels are low and fruit is high in fructose which will replnish liver glycogen quicker hence why best to have it at breakfast.


    fair enough, but that's not a reason not to have it the rest of the day.


    Also the fruits listed are negative calorie foods using up more calories being digested that what they contain


    i'm pretty sure that this is wrong. if it were true and i ate nothing but large volumes of nothing but these foods, i would end up in overall calorie defecit. which is certainly wrong.

    i also tend to avoid eating as much melon as i used to, because it's high in fast absorbing sugars, too much of which i'm wary of eating in one sitting.

    i agree, though, that you can, and, in my inexpert view, should, eat at least some fruit on all but the latter stages of the most severe competition cut.

    i never eat smoothies, on the other hand, because i love eating fruit, and you can't easily do both to any degree without totalling up quite a lot of sugar.
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 22:56:37 (permalink)
    TIO -

    There is no such things as negative calorie foods mate.
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 22:58:42 (permalink)

    ORIGINAL: jessejames


    ORIGINAL: theiopener

    liver glycogen levels are low and fruit is high in fructose which will replnish liver glycogen quicker hence why best to have it at breakfast.


    fair enough, but that's not a reason not to have it the rest of the day.


    Also the fruits listed are negative calorie foods using up more calories being digested that what they contain


    i'm pretty sure that this is wrong. if it were true and i ate nothing but large volumes of nothing but these foods, i would end up in overall calorie defecit. which is certainly wrong.

    i also tend to avoid eating as much melon as i used to, because it's high in fast absorbing sugars, too much of which i'm wary of eating in one sitting.

    i agree, though, that you can, and, in my inexpert view, should, eat at least some fruit on all but the latter stages of the most severe competition cut.

    i never eat smoothies, on the other hand, because i love eating fruit, and you can't easily do both to any degree without totalling up quite a lot of sugar.


    Mate cutting is about calorie deficits, 100g of strawberries is 30 cals you burn this amount by brushing your teeth . Im on a cut and i eat fruit all day long, strawberries raspberries and loads of apples. What do you think is in pasta and granary bread, protein? all carbs are sugars at the end of the day, broccoli is a negative calorie food as is cauliflower and other fibrous veg. Melon contains so little calories that the effort to chew it and digest it negates what minimal calories it has. if its a hot day then eat some cold fruit dont worry about it, youll get sick of eating 3-4kg of fruit before you go into sugar overload. Try eating 1kg of watermelon and see if you can manage it without being sick
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 23:18:41 (permalink)
    Id say drop the shakes and MRP powders as well and eat real food
    the reason I have it is because i dont have time to eat breakfast. if i do eat i usually just eat a packet of ham out of the fridge, or some ****ing salt beef, whatever stupid meats are in the fridge. this along with a cerial bar. so id opt for this MRP poweder which has 30g protein, 30g carbs, and all the vitimins etc. its got to be better than just a slab of sandwich smoked salmon to eat on the go! which has other bits of crap on it
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 23:19:56 (permalink)
    so you're all basically saying this fruit drink has nothing to do with not cutting, or stopping me from cutting (ie whatever cardio i do is wasted as i put it all back on when i have my fruit drink on the way home)... *also remember its not a regular smoothie, its just fruit but crushed, so its no different than if i were to eat it whole*
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 23:23:02 (permalink)
    in a word yes crushed fruit is the same as real fruit. As for breakfast, perhaps you could make a few homemade protein bars to eat on the go instead?
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 23:26:50 (permalink)
    to be honest i work to many hours and i have to fit too much into the day to do stuff like that. it'll be easier to drink these drinks at 8 in the morning and that'll last me until lunch at 12. as long as i can strip this pound and a half every week i'll be sorted. i just wanted to make sure this drink (which is keeping me healthy, and sain) wont **** up my fat loss
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 23:54:55 (permalink)
    theiopener, how important would you say fruit is while cutting and trying to retain muscle on a scale of 1-10?

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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/13 23:59:01 (permalink)
    well fruit is literally a carb source and carbs are essential for retaining muscle, fruit has it place on a cut i usually eat the majority of mine like pineapples in the morning after my walk. The granny smith applies i eat are ni the afternoon anytime i fancy a snack and ive been losing fat without any issues. Just make sure that you dont get the majority of your carbs from fruit as they are simple carbs. As they say everything in moderation and make sure your diet is up to scratch
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/14 00:02:13 (permalink)
    ORIGINAL: theiopener
    Mate cutting is about calorie deficits, 100g of strawberries is 30 cals you burn this amount by brushing your teeth . Im on a cut and i eat fruit all day long, strawberries raspberries and loads of apples. What do you think is in pasta and granary bread, protein? all carbs are sugars at the end of the day, broccoli is a negative calorie food as is cauliflower and other fibrous veg. Melon contains so little calories that the effort to chew it and digest it negates what minimal calories it has. if its a hot day then eat some cold fruit dont worry about it, youll get sick of eating 3-4kg of fruit before you go into sugar overload. Try eating 1kg of watermelon and see if you can manage it without being sick


    i'm afraid this is pretty much all wrong, mate.

    (and i can easily eat a kilo of melon without feeling sick).

    i eat a lot of fruit, too. but it's not calorie free. a medium sized modern apple is about 60 cals, about 15 g carbs. 5 apples a day could therefore be three quarters of your total carb intake on a severe cut.

    few people would choose to get three quarters of their daily carb intake from fruit.

    i'm currently doing a 150g carb day some days, on which days i'm prob doing 60g from 4 apples. i'm sure this is more than is ideal, but i do it because i love apples.

    if you personally can just eat fruit all day long and still get everything else you need in your diet and still be in defecit, then great. but it's unsound as a general recommendation.

    (and i agree with gaz, i don't believe in negative calorie foods).
    post edited by jessejames - 2007/06/14 00:04:37
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/14 08:50:45 (permalink)
    the whole post is typical of people who "cant lose weight"

    they simply lack application and love excuse making

    bottom line
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/14 20:58:04 (permalink)
    well i'm loosing 2 pounds a week now but this is with all the extra cardio i was not on before and slightly stricter diet, so my question was for the long term here, as i'm banking on that loss dropping down drasticly once i get a month or 2 into it. thanks for the answers guys, at least i don't have to worry about my smoothie treat anymore! it was just the fear of the smoothie contradicting my efforts, or drasticly slowing them down.
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/14 21:09:51 (permalink)
    TIO, you might find this thread of interest mate:
    http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/m_1854569/tm.htm

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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/14 21:13:18 (permalink)
    that was very cool info and good to know! thanks brother
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/14 21:21:46 (permalink)
    Negative calorie foods? Wtf?

    Negative calorie, ok - So if i lived on this list of foods:
    broccol
    green cabbag
    carro
    cranberries
    grapefruit
    lemon mango
    orange
    pineapple raspberries
    strawberries
    tangerine
    lamb's lettuce
    lettuce
    onion
    papaya
    radishes
    spinach
    turnip~

    I'd be on less than 0 calorie intake, so my if my requirements we're 2000, id be down 2000kcals losing around 1/2 a lb a day?

    Confirm/deny?
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    RE: Very important Fruit Question (and cutting) 2007/06/14 21:25:03 (permalink)
    1MANRIOT does this mean I shouldn't be counting the salads I eat?
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