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Violence Solves Nothing

Violence Solves Nothing

True most of the time   44% (11)
True some of the time   48% (12)
Rarely ever true   4% (1)
Never true - Violence is usually the best option   4% (1)
Always True - Violence Solves Nothing   0% (0)

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2014/12/25 20:31:23 (permalink)
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Violence Solves Nothing

Do you agree with the often repeated mantra that violence solves nothing?
post edited by Suspirio - 2014/12/25 21:18:57
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    Re: Violence Solves Nothing 2014/12/25 23:42:58 (permalink)
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    it solves who should win the boxing, martial arts, ufc fights etc so violence can solve some things.

    Stories I hear about schools not doing anything about kids being bullied really worry me though. Although my little girls only two and a half , if it ever happened to her later on the parents of the kids doing the bullying better sort it out after a few words or my wrath will be felt in them (great vengeance, furious anger, going medievil on them .. Pulp Fiction style)

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    Re: Violence Solves Nothing 2014/12/26 00:43:26 (permalink)
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    There is an enormous potential for macho b0llocks in a thread like this. I hope to avoid this. However, a girl I work with went home on the London underground a few nights ago. She is a pretty 21 year old girl who found herself alone on a platform late at night. Out of nowhere she found herself surrounded by six hoodrats.
     
    These charming gentlemen requested that she "suck their d1cks" and two of them touched her breasts. She tried to ignore them but she was totally surrounded and alone. She could not walk away because they just followed her and there appeared to be nobody around to help. She reminded these gentlemen that although she was alone there was CCTV on the platform and that they may be identified should they do anything to her. This seemed to make them reconsider and they left her alone and disappeared. She feels quite certain that had she been somewhere without CCTV she would have been very seriously sexually assaulted.
     
    Had they decided to assault her I am unaware of anything other than violence that could have solved this situation in her favour.
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    Re: Violence Solves Nothing 2014/12/26 00:56:23 (permalink)
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    Even if she carried bear mace the likely hood would be that she would get injured if she tried anything especially against 6. Unless she was seriously skilled in ninja or the like. Even then 6 blokes on 1 young girl

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    Re: Violence Solves Nothing 2014/12/26 01:03:48 (permalink)
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    I agree. Although a gun would have been useful.
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    Re: Violence Solves Nothing 2014/12/26 07:35:46 (permalink)
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    A gun is violence, and yes a gun would have solved it right there. I'd rather spend time in prison than get raped or killed if it comes to that (though going to prison for defending yourself in such a situation is total bull****, it's that kind of thing that makes good people afraid to stand up for what's right and criminals walk around confident that nothing's gonna happen to them).
     
    Violence is the answer sometimes. I think knowing when to use violence is part of what makes a responsible adult. Never using violence usually means running away from problems that can only be solved by it.
    post edited by Uriel - 2014/12/26 07:39:07
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    Re: 2014/12/26 09:54:31 (permalink)
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    I stood up for myself in the last confrontation I had with a neighbour, I got 240 hours community service and a years probation!!! because my dick of a neighbour came home drunk started battering on my door I told him to leave he tried to attack me which didn't go down well with me

    Bottom line is I got the better of him so I'm the one in the wrong, I shut my door after I told him to go away he tried to kick the door in I tried to physically remove him he tried to headbutt me

    Police said I should have called them, they would have taken over an hour to get out and by that time he could have kicked my door in and terrified my kids.
    So violence doesn't solve anything in my case, it almost has me sent to prison and I'd have missed my sons first birthday and first Christmas all because I tried to keep my family safe.

    Probably thought well I'm 6ft4 and a good bit bigger than the other guy so it's all my fault. I now have cctv at my property just incase anything like this happens again it's not worth the risk.
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    Re: 2014/12/26 12:35:42 (permalink)
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    Chris how did it come to that? What were you charged with?
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    Re: 2014/12/26 12:40:54 (permalink)
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    Outside the likes of boxing and UFC it solves absolutely nothing. Yes it can get you out of a tight spot and sometimes it's unavoidable but there are always consequences  and there is always the risk of escalation in the future. I think it causes far more problems than it solves.
     
    But the like I said sometimes it's unavoidable.
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    Re: 2014/12/26 13:02:12 (permalink)
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    Well crooks I'd rather not get into it, pretty ashamed of losing my temper like I did.
    He went back to his house came back with a knife, so stupidly I went out with one and it turns out my garden in not a private place it's a public place so we were both charged with a blade in public.
    I was told by my solicitor to expect the year in prison, I got community service due to mitigating circumstances.

    There was no thought to it, he came to my house with a massive blade I reacted stupidly.
    He ran away when he seen me coming out with a knife myself, bit embarrassed about my actions but it could have ended much worse.

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    Re: 2014/12/26 14:23:17 (permalink)
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    I stood up for myself in the last confrontation I had with a neighbour, I got 240 hours community service and a years probation!!! because my dick of a neighbour came home drunk started battering on my door I told him to leave he tried to attack me which didn't go down well with me

    Bottom line is I got the better of him so I'm the one in the wrong, I shut my door after I told him to go away he tried to kick the door in I tried to physically remove him he tried to headbutt me

    Police said I should have called them, they would have taken over an hour to get out and by that time he could have kicked my door in and terrified my kids.
    So violence doesn't solve anything in my case, it almost has me sent to prison and I'd have missed my sons first birthday and first Christmas all because I tried to keep my family safe.

    Probably thought well I'm 6ft4 and a good bit bigger than the other guy so it's all my fault. I now have cctv at my property just incase anything like this happens again it's not worth the risk.

    You were a victim of the champagne socialist bull**** that protects the poor understood criminals over functional contributing members of society but still, looking back and thinking how that man could have gotten into your house and hurt your kids, would things have been better had you not used violence?
     
    Like I said I'm all for peace and love and if there's a non-violent solution to a problem I'll take it, but sometimes the other person is going to use violence whether you like it or not, your two options are using violence right back at him or just laying down and taking it. And I'll die, and certainly will go to prison or do some community service, before I lay down and take it.
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    Re: 2014/12/26 14:38:22 (permalink)
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    Well my bags packed in the dock ready to go, luckily the social work report said I shouldn't be sent to prison and the judge listened to it. The fact my son was 1 in a weeks time probably also helped.

    I've always had trouble of neds wanting to fight me, purposely banging into me mainly due to my height and back then I wasn't as big so probably more of a target.

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    Re: 2014/12/26 16:35:25 (permalink)
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    I'm not sure how the problem of Nazi Germany could have been solved without it.  

    You did gain far too much fat though,I mean,you're not muscular at all,you're just a fat mess.
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    Re: 2014/12/26 16:49:06 (permalink)
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    Yes

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    Re: 2014/12/26 17:22:51 (permalink)
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    I was expecting a load of abuse after my confession, I felt like a total fool for it. Surprising, not many people would see me as a victim i did plead guilty because at the end of the day I was guilty of having a blade in public despite it being in my garden.

    I detest people that carry weapons in public and I now have a a conviction for it, probably why I feel so bad about it
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    Re: 2014/12/26 19:34:44 (permalink)
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    I'm not sure how the problem of Nazi Germany could have been solved without it.  


    It was the necessary response but did it solve the problem? Given the legacy of ww2 and the continued existence of neo Nazi groups I'd say no. A response isnt the same as a solution.
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    Re: 2014/12/26 21:14:10 (permalink)
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    It's most definitely a solution when e.g. dealing with constant anti social behaviour from a problem group of people, be they a gang of youths or problem neightbours. Police are pretty powerless to deal with this kind of thing and often reluctant to try. A threat of violence (or actual physical retribution) from someone with a reputation can stop that kind of thing in it's tracks. So in that example it solves a problem.
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    Re: 2014/12/26 21:19:59 (permalink)
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    I'm not sure how the problem of Nazi Germany could have been solved without it.  


    It was the necessary response but did it solve the problem? Given the legacy of ww2 and the continued existence of neo Nazi groups I'd say no. A response 'the same as a solution.



    I think a few neo nazi groups kicking around is far far preferable to a Nazi dominated continent, and a genocide far far greater than what did occur.
     
    So I'm afraid I'm calling 'twaddle' on your idea that there were other ways of solving the problem.  

    You did gain far too much fat though,I mean,you're not muscular at all,you're just a fat mess.
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    Re: 2014/12/26 21:43:02 (permalink)
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    My point is it didbt solve anything. I did say it was necessary but to say it solved the problem would be presumptuous as neo Nazism still exists
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    Re: 2014/12/26 21:57:35 (permalink)
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    A few clusters of neonazis hardly matter at all. We're talking about 1 nazi in what, 10 million? They're basically reduced to local thugs. That problem is pretty much fixed, expecting there to be zero nazis in the world is utopic.
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