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2004/03/23 17:48:15 (permalink)
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WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad?

I’ve got 3 days a week (eve’s) to workout and do a split routine followed by HIIT on each workout day and need some advice.
I don’t really intend on getting huge, just want a medium sized body with good definition (similar to athletes or medium-weight boxers).
Having read an article on HIIT I understood that it was ok to combine HIIT with weights. However, on one of the other threads I was told that doing HIIT after weights would have an adverse effect on my muscle growth as the body would also be using proteins (from muscle) when I was doing the HIIT.
My workout is typically 1hour weights followed by 1 hour HIIT ( I understand you cant spot-train to cut fat in any area hence I have to do this).
I was advised by one member of muscletalk to have a protein supplement between the two as this would prevent the body using muscle for protein (and other adverse stuff).
This does sound sensible but I came across two problems:
1. Wouldn’t the person start throwing up when doing HIIT after a protein supplement (they always advise to train at least an hour after eating anything) ..the most I could probably wait is about 15 mins.
2. At my local workout shop, they told me that even if I could train without throwing up from the supplement, the protein takes over an hour to be digested and absorbed into the body, hence it would have no effect. Am not sure if this is right or not?

Now I need to bulk as well as cut (even though I know you should best do this separately), hence I need a way of making the most of my training to achieve this. I really want to avoid bulking for a month and then cutting for a month.
I understand that diet also plays an important part and I am working on this, but I feel I should also try to train as efficiently as possible to achieve my goals.[?]

Any advice would be welcome!
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/23 23:44:01 (permalink)
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    My HIIT is as follows:
    10 mins bike (HIIT - 2 intervals)
    25 mins threadmill running (HIIT - 4/5 intervals)
    7 mins stepper (HIIT 2 intervals)
    Overall I suppose this works out to be 42 mins but if you include a bit of extra time here and there as well as waiting for machines or resting, then it does work out to be an hour.
    Following this, I do about 10+ mins on working all areas of my abs (even though I know you cannot spot-reduce there, I feel its good to burn them after all that indirect use of them during HIIT)

    Although the above post advises some brisk walking, this does not work for me. I have tried light jogging in the past and this doesn't really work for me either. Only since starting HIIT (after reading this website) a couple of weeks ago have I started noticing some difference. I need to do something that'll keep burning fat this way to be able to acheive a good body for the summer.

    So according to the above post, I do not kill all carbs in my body from weights then I take it I should continue as I am?
    Even though you may reckon my HIIT is too much, I still feel I have the willpower (not strength) to do more, although I am not thinking of increasing it.

    As regards to drinking the protein supplement between weights and HIIT, would you recommend still drinking it or not (if it'll do more bad than good)?

    So overall, what would you guys recommend I do to achieve my aims?[?]
    I dont have 3 months for weights and 3 for HIIT ..summers just around the corner!
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/23 23:54:00 (permalink)
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    I dont think you understand that HIIT requires MAXIMUM intensity, its not just go hard for a bit then rest, you should struggle with 30 seconds of it. an unfit person would go for about 3-4 cycles, a very fit one 10, thats about 15 minutes including rest time. If you want to see increased results I would drop your HIIT sessions to about 10 minutes and do it properly.
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 10:25:39 (permalink)
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    What I do for HIIT, just say on the threadmill is:
    4 mins warm-up/build-up pace, then I sprint max speed for 1.5 mins ..I sprint 1.5 mins instead of one because it take about 10 seconds for me to be a able to increase the speed on the threadmill so my overall aim is to do 1 min sprint followed by 1 min low-intensity. After 4 intervals, I slow-down for about 4 mins and then stop. Since im new to HIIT, my aim is to decrease my interval from 1.5 min to 1 min ..and less (if possible) but keeping the high-intensity/low-intensity ratio to 1:1 (I take it this is ideal?)
    You guys mention 30 seconds, in the low-intensity bit is this enough time for the body to adjust and start burning fat? ..somehow it doesn't seem it will [?]

    Also can any of you guys answer my other questions from the last post?
    Thanks
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 10:30:21 (permalink)
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    how many elite athletes do you see sprinting for a minute? it just isnt possible, and tbh a treadmill will not reach the intensity required if you are young and at all fast. you are missing the point of HIIT, the main benefit is the not the fat burnt during the exs but the fat burnt due to the raised metabolism is causes. if you are dead set on continuing your burnout strategy, I would make sure your weights last 40 minutes then do 10 mins HIIT, then have your shake afterwards.
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 11:18:55 (permalink)
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    What you're doing isnt HIIT, I think its just IT (Interval training). It will cause fat loss but if you want to do HIIT then you should be sprinting. You can't sprint on a treadmill. You want to sprint, which means the max speed you can do, not max speed of the treadmill. A sprint is going all out and therefore at a pace which will decrease over time. If a treadmill could go as fast as you could sprint you would land on your ass after about 15 seconds (less when you're tired).

    Personally I'd do HIIT on opposite times of the day if possible. Either use stationary bike or take to the streets. I do it for 10 mins outside my house occassionally and I'm on fire for the rest of the day.
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 14:34:20 (permalink)
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    Thanks for the advice guys, it has cleared some things up.
    Unfortunately, since I cover two muscle groups on each weights day, it is impossible for me to do this in under 40 mins due to the exercises as well as waiting for machines/weights, and hence takes at least an hour. I'd personally would love to be out of the gym in an hour, but I want results so I have to put the time/effort into it.

    Unfortunately, im confined to use the bike/threadmill/stepper for my cardio and havent got a place outdoors to sprint properly.
    Would you still recommend me carrying on with my cardio training like I currently do ..even though you reckon its more interval training than HIIT?

    Also since this would take over the 40 + 10 mins that you have suggested, should I still have my protein shake after the two or should I have it in-between?

    By the way, as I mentioned in my previous post, am I right to assume that it is better to do my abs after my cardio?

    All your help is appreciated guys!
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 16:04:53 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Should add that it's impossible to bulk for a month and cut for a month, you need at least three months to do either).)



    Why do you say that Dg? Why should it matter how short each cycle is. When someone wants to put on muscle and burn fat, which is possible, wouldn't that mean doing shorter cycles than a month, maybe 2 or 3 days at a time?
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 17:06:20 (permalink)
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    I'd love to run on the street, unfortunately its not a sensible idea in the area I come from ..im sure you guys know what I mean.
    So in light of that, i've only got the threadmill ..so what do you guys say, carry on as I am or change something?

    They say its best to have a protein shake within 1 hour of training your muscles ..its nearly 2 by the time i've finished weights+cardio ...hence my question to whether I should have it in between or just wait until I finished my cardio?
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 18:18:41 (permalink)
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    I agree it takes months and years, but what's the difference, in 5 years time you've spent x% of that time bulking and y% of that time slimming down, I can't see the point in waiting until you're fat to slim down, that's what i mean by shorter cycles. In fact if you're natural isn't it better to stay lean?
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 19:25:56 (permalink)
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    Mmmm, I can't remember saying anything about it taking the same time to cut as it does to bulk. Anyway, I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm saying why not stay fairly lean and over time you'll achieve the same or better results and be fitter.

    You don't have to gain a stone of fat then lose it, why not wait until you've gained 4Ibs of fat and then lose it, infact why even wait until you've gained 4 Ibs, it doesn't make any difference to the end result and you didn't get fat doing it
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/24 19:27:29 (permalink)
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    Especially if you're natural, you lose more muscle if you go on a cutting fest
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/25 13:13:21 (permalink)
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    Any answers to my above question guys?
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/25 16:51:50 (permalink)
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    quote:
    Originally posted by dg


    I myself believe in staying lean and making slower gains - just makes sense for someone who's not competing.



    well put. me too.
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2004/03/25 20:03:12 (permalink)
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    Time for my tuppence worth, In my profesional opinion I would go with bulking using weights 3 times a week and eat a lot (try not to eat crap) adding the extra muscle will naturally increase your metabolic rate (so you burn more calories even when watching t.v) in time, this along with the right diet will reduce your body fat %.

    As for the HIIT training do this on different days (or have at least 3 hours rest between training sessions) to your weights make sure you have at least 1 day off though. You dont want to over train. And since you are in the gym use the climbing maching (you know the one where you almost stand up and move your hands and legs) crank it up to full and go hell for leather for 30 secs and, well, you know the rest.

    with the right diet and rest periods youll have a well built toned body to be proud off.

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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2005/05/29 02:09:32 (permalink)
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    for hiit is it sprinting for as long as you can or to try and pace yourself-whilst sprinting

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    squat- 70kg-20
    deadlift- 90kg-6
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    lateral raises- 10kg-10
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2005/05/29 02:12:33 (permalink)
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    should i do hiit in the morning with no breakfast-but have it after wards

    lifts;

    bench press- 65kg-8
    squat- 70kg-20
    deadlift- 90kg-6
    barbell curl- 25kg-5
    skull crushers-20kg-7
    lateral raises- 10kg-10
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    RE: WEIGHTS AND HIIT ...good or bad? 2005/05/30 05:20:16 (permalink)
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    just do your weights and stretch after. your cals will sort themselves out and youll lose fat.

    As for you heart you should be able to get that worked from your weight t' depending on how your doing them.

    im not fat, im big boned
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