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2011/03/26 10:42:57 (permalink)
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War about to be declared on diesel drivers

Yes it's parking permits at the moment but we all know how these things are seized upon by politicians. I guess the MPG on a diesel is becoming just too economical for the government. 
 
http://www.telegraph.co.u...ars-off-the-roads.html
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 11:08:26 (permalink)
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    It says that owners of a common family car will have to pay £153 for their permit, but how much do they have to pay now?
     
    Diesel does cost more per litre, but don't diesels get better MPG overall?
     
    It sounds like a bad representation of an attempt to reduce Chelsea Tractors by putting a disincentive on having those bigger 3l diesel vehicles. As i understand it the thing about local pollution particulates is true. The sliding scale on parking permits in certain areas is likely to be cheaper or free for those vehicles with lower emissions. These things aren't just measured on CO2

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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 11:13:58 (permalink)
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    as far as Im concerned, anyone who lives in Kensington and drives round in a 4WD diesel deserves all the sh*t that comes their way


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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 11:14:36 (permalink)
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    Its all a bit **** - the car is an easy target and actually contributes very little in percentage terms to co2 emissions but then if they started hitting business' the real culprit then there would be uproar.  The car owner is there to be royally shafted by the government, sooner or later though the country will grind to a halt.  The country is run with a London centric mentality with little or no consideration to the rest of the country, especially those in rural communnities who need a car/4WD because buses/trains are simply not a viable option.
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 11:19:44 (permalink)
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    It says that owners of a common family car will have to pay £153 for their permit, but how much do they have to pay now? 
      
    Diesel does cost more per litre, but don't diesels get better MPG overall? 
      
    It sounds like a bad representation of an attempt to reduce Chelsea Tractors by putting a disincentive on having those bigger 3l diesel vehicles. As i understand it the thing about local pollution particulates is true. The sliding scale on parking permits in certain areas is likely to be cheaper or free for those vehicles with lower emissions. These things aren't just measured on CO2 

     
    As soon as they say the phrase "it's bad for the evironment" it's the 1st step to them raising road tax etc. The time has to come where millions just say f**k it, I ain't paying anything. They can't arrest everyone.

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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 12:22:15 (permalink)
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    Particle filters FTW. Electric and Hybrid as an alternative? People suggesting that need to check out the Nickel Cadmium mines for the pollution the extraction and subsequent processing causes.
     
    'Environment' is a smoke screen for taxing a captive audience.
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 12:33:42 (permalink)
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    Exactly. The best thing for the environment would be to encourage people to run their old cars for longer. I don't hear that being suggested much. That cash for clunkers scheme was the most idiotic thing ever.

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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 17:45:59 (permalink)
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    Kensington and Chelsea? That's a rather boggy area, isn't it? /I
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 21:58:51 (permalink)
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    Wont be long before they do what they did with the truckers.
     
    If you run an older model and your engine does not meet a 'Euro' emissions class then you will have to pay a daily charge to go into certain cities 'emission zones'.
     
    £200 a day to drive a truck with a euro 2 or older in London. Its a fact that less then 1% of the shi* from motors in London actually comes from trucks and the rest is from cars and buses.
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 22:01:20 (permalink)
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    tac

    as far as Im concerned, anyone who lives in Kensington and drives round in a 4WD diesel deserves all the sh*t that comes their way


    Tac Why? Some people may like to have a larger shell around their loved ones ergo they are safer and less likely to die in an accident

    Festar: You can't plead poverty with 2 cars. That's like a little Kenyan chap pleading poverty with 2 packets of uncle bens rice hidden under his bed.
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 23:51:49 (permalink)
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    they are safer and less likely to die in an accident

    This is a fallacy. Plus safety isn't just about occupants, what about other road users? What about the "Volvo syndrome" that "safer" cars engender?
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/26 23:54:37 (permalink)
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    they are safer and less likely to die in an accident

    This is a fallacy. Plus safety isn't just about occupants, what about other road users? What about the "Volvo syndrome" that "safer" cars engender?


    What would you rather crash in a mini or a 4x4? 
     
    Oh and and i only care about me and my loved ones I'm not overly concerned about other road users to the extent that I reduce safety to ones close to me. I don't even drive a 4x4  but can see why people do

    Festar: You can't plead poverty with 2 cars. That's like a little Kenyan chap pleading poverty with 2 packets of uncle bens rice hidden under his bed.
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/27 10:46:22 (permalink)
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    tac

    as far as Im concerned, anyone who lives in Kensington and drives round in a 4WD diesel deserves all the sh*t that comes their way


    Tac Why? Some people may like to have a larger shell around their loved ones ergo they are safer and less likely to die in an accident

    Most midsized cars upwards will provide more than sufficient protection in urban areas.
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/27 10:50:43 (permalink)
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    they are safer and less likely to die in an accident

    This is a fallacy. Plus safety isn't just about occupants, what about other road users? What about the "Volvo syndrome" that "safer" cars engender?


    What would you rather crash in a mini or a 4x4? 

    Oh and and i only care about me and my loved ones I'm not overly concerned about other road users to the extent that I reduce safety to ones close to me. I don't even drive a 4x4  but can see why people do

    My cousin drives an X5. Some to55er in a Saxo smashed into the rear wheel, a t-bone if you will. Snapped a driveshaft on the Bimmer, wrote off the Saxo. Can see the point you're making, though for school runs and commutes, they cause more problems than the protection they provide, owing to reduced visibility of small pedestrians and the size of the things clogging roads etc. Plus the actual scope for achieving the dangerous speeds which would necessitate a larger vehicle are very slim.
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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/27 12:09:08 (permalink)
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    tac

    as far as Im concerned, anyone who lives in Kensington and drives round in a 4WD diesel deserves all the sh*t that comes their way


    Tac Why? Some people may like to have a larger shell around their loved ones ergo they are safer and less likely to die in an accident

    That would, I admit, be a good reason to own one.
     
    I doubt thats why most Chelsea residents buy them though, much more likely to be for the same reason they buy Louis Vitton and Jimmy Choos, ie Tarquin and Clarissa who live next door have one so we must too
     
    I suggest that if you take a trip to London, and spend a few hours around Knightsbridge meeting some of the snooty, over-privileged f*ckwits that live there and drive these you'll probably end up agreeing with me.


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    Re:War about to be declared on diesel drivers 2011/03/27 12:12:31 (permalink)
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    You actually think the people who drive these are going to stop because the parking permits are higher or their road tax is higher? No. They'll keep driving them and pay it which is exactly what the government want and in the meantime it allows the tax on a smaller car to creep up. ££££££

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