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2015/02/02 14:07:29 (permalink)
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What are the ephedra compounds laws?

I find the laws on ephedra products confusing.
Ephedrine Hydrochloride is illegal, but things like bitter orange extract and other ephedra compounds are still legally sold in formulas.
Do companies who manufacture have to have special licenses?
 
anyone clear this up please?
 
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/02 15:42:53 (permalink)
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Ephedrine HCL is not illegal its just a licensed drug. 
Bitter orange contains Synephrine, which is similar to Ephedrine but not the same compound and is legal.
Similar to the pseudoephedrine that is in cold and decongestant medicines. 
 

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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/03 10:47:08 (permalink)
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It isn't a licensed drug either, this is where the confusion arises, it can only be sold in licensed pharmacies, but you do not need a script or anything. chest eze. you can import it too, but that is more of a grey area.
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/03 12:30:22 (permalink)
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It can only be sold in Pharmacies, so it is a licensed drug (non troll)
Edit: it is a P.OM. 
http://www.idmu.co.uk/oldsite/ephedrine2.html
Ephedrine is a prescription only medicine in the UK, used in the treatment of bronchospasm (athsma) and other disorders. It is not available 'over the counter'"
 
http://www.nhs.uk/medicin...oride%2015mg%20tablets LINK is truncated on MT 
 
Doesn`t chest-eze contain pseudoephedrine though ?  
 
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/03 14:46:47 (permalink)
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it is out of date then, haven't bought chest eze in maybe 2 months, so unless they have changed it to a prescription only in that time, I don't know.
 
nope, it was always eph hci, and i got it from boots and asda, just asked for it, they sell you it.
 
this is the issue with the UK, there is no one reliable source for legal/illegal queries, I'm sticking with OTC, till proved wrong, will try get some tomorrow.
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/03 17:52:25 (permalink)
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It may be down to the amount allowed in each pill, I have a feeling its mainly pseudo with a very low dose of Ephedrine, but dont quote me on that. 
Either way the raw powders are becoming harder to source.
I believe its down to a combination of Ephedrine being the favourite base material for Crystal meth manufacture and people preferring Clenbuterol these days.
Quite a few drugs seem to have uncertain legal status in the U.K. 

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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/03 18:35:31 (permalink)
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18.2mg eph hci IIRC
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/04 10:07:30 (permalink)
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I stand corrected 

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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/04 10:49:23 (permalink)
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http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/Ephedrine-UK-and-US-law-m1726169.aspx#1726169
 
I wrote this years ago & am unaware of changes to scheduling

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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/04 13:07:20 (permalink)
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^ yup, this was my understanding.
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/04 15:28:55 (permalink)
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Nice one P.B. Thanks 

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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/06 11:09:17 (permalink)
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Thanks, that clarifies ephedrine.
 
But what about the other compounds?  Bitter organe extract, sida cordifolia, etc?  Can anyone produce a supplement containing these and can anyone sell them?  What's the bottom line?
 
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/06 11:29:57 (permalink)☄ Helpfulby simonboyle 2015/02/06 13:36:04
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As I said Bitter orange has the active ingredient Synephrine which is legal in U.K; not sure about the USA as the FDA were reviewing it.
Google these compounds to find the legal status in your country. 
Though be aware that some legal compounds are banned by WADA if you are a competing athlete. 
 
Sida Cordifolia:  
"Sida cordifolia is not listed under the Misuse of Drugs Act, and is therefore legal to sell and possess."
http://www.thesite.org/drink-and-drugs/legal-highs/sida-cordifolia-9858.html
 
This is an interesting site:
 http://www.dietpillswatchdog.com/
Although I dont like basing my opinions on one source alone. 
 
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/06 14:04:17 (permalink)
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Regarding chest-eze, it contains theophylline which is dispensed under the supervision of a pharmacist. TP itself can have quite different kinetics resulting in varying actual dose levels from person to person, depending on the other medications they are on eg smoking, hence the need for stricter supervision.
 
On the general matter of sale of medication, whilst possession maybe legal for drugs that are not controlled, the sale or marketing of actual drugs, or chemicals along with claims that a chemical has drug effects, is regulated by the MHRA in the UK which provides a coverall law that allows action to be taken against individuals or companies that are selling or marketing such chemicals.  This is obviously not consistently applied, but has been used when companies are either obviously taking the piss or when things are being sold that are dangerous.
 
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Re: What are the ephedra compounds laws? 2015/02/06 14:15:14 (permalink)
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Yeah, theophylline isn't great.
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