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2009/07/15 22:39:15 (permalink)

What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene?

It bugs me that we (the UK) seem to be behind many other nations in the bodybuilding scene.  Sure we've had some great UK names on the international scene in the past ... Yates, and others.  But we rarely have our guys making an impact, and the BBing scene, seems a little behind here.

Great to see Flex Lewis getting really well known.  Plus we have John Hodgson and Lee Powell hitting some u202 shows in the US next month.

But otherwise, where's the UK impact?

Sure the US is bigger than us and produces many new pros every year, but even proportionally, we don't see the UK out there like I feel we should.

Do you agree?

What can be done?  Is it just a case of getting some more pros, or more good pros?  Or do our bodybuilders need to get out there in the US more?


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    Daniel.M
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 00:44:18 (permalink)
    Nice idea for a topic, the body power expo will hopefully help advance UK bodybuilding a lot more. Is there no chance of setting up a pro competition in the UK? Or relaunch the UK Grand Prix

    My thoughts are;
    award more pro cards?
    encourage current/past pros to come back and have a crack of the 202 class.
    more coverage of local level shows, video workouts with up and coming body builders/potential pros.
    try and get photoshoots/mag deals for some of the UK guys



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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 10:25:46 (permalink)
    As mentioned above have a well rewarded Grand Prix event in this country which will get a LOT of big names over competing. This would give our guys something right in front of them to aim for.
     
    I also pray Flex Lewis keeps on being succesful as a pro champion bodybuilder, season after season, will bring attention to this country.

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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 10:31:22 (permalink)
    Yea definatley agree upon another UK Grand Prix. The lighting at the last one in 1999 i think was one of the best I have ever seen.  Bring it back for sure!!

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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 10:44:02 (permalink)
    The Uk needs a grand prix again but Kerry Kayes needs to change the event to something along the lines of the body power expo...
    He lost money with every grand prix so a new outlook on how the event is promoted needs to be looked at and thats why most bodybuilding shows (like the arnold) have huge expos that tag along side to raise revenue.

    Bodybuilding in the UK alone cannot survive IMO unless we incorporate other fields such as powerlifting/strongman and fitness.

    The UK needs a show to field the top bodybuilders and alongside it, to have a competition for the up and coming bodybuilders in the UK to show off their wares. Exposure...

    I dont think the UK should give out more pro cards.
    For the size of the country and the quality of the top amatuers, i dont see why 2nd best should be rewarded if it doesnt make the grade on national level as it certainly wont make the grade internationally.
    Why pump out pro's on a conveyor belt who will flunk out in any pro show and become another statistic of pro's who failed to make an impact?

    The UK has a good record IMO of pro's who have gone on to make a good name for themselves inn the last 10 years.

    Yates
    Taylor
    Flex lewis

    We have had the success of the amateur arnold classic with our UK amatuers so the exposure is there, just needs to be primed with a pro card.

    Quality pros will get the UK more recognised and i am hoping James.L recovers through his latest downturns in health to go on to smash the 202 class.
     
    What will get the UK more noticed?
    Quality of our pro's.... and i think we have been pretty good in the last few years with that.

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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 11:54:17 (permalink)
    I'm not big into BB'ing, but from my perspective the UK is punching its weight considering the popularity of competitive BB'ing in this country.

    Which other nation of comparable size to us is doing better? I don't see any other country in Europe doing a great job.

    The problem is, bodybuilding as an industry is very US-centric, it's where the money is, it's where the recognition is, it's where the interest lies.

    Thus, it comes down to making the scene bigger in the UK. This means more money, more sponsorship, better marketing awareness from all involved.

    I think the problem with BB'ing is that it's a very niche sport, and not very accessible, i.e. it will never be on TV very much; thus limiting the money available from advertising revenue and TV rights which is the lifeblood of a lot of sports.

    Plus, the more the public (rather than recreational bb'ers/serious gym goers) learn about BB'ing, the less marketable it becomes.
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 12:02:55 (permalink)
    It must be frustrating for the top guys that they have to go to the expense of competing in the States once they get their pro card and I'm sure that this puts many off. Plus, only being able to compete on an international stage reduces their exposure and therefore less exposure for BB as a whole.

    I think the 202 class could be good for the Brits and I'm sure we'll see our guys do well in this but it would be great if a comp could be arranged closer to home so that their national fans can see them in action and give more exposure on UK soil.
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 13:23:34 (permalink)
    Some good ideas so far IMO.

    Surely a pro competition could be tagged onto the body power expo, as this would bring costs down a little and also bring more fans in. If it was an Olympia qualifier you would have pros from across the world turning up to compete.

    As for the 'award more pro cards sentiment' i was thinking of giving two out rather than one, as there are now two professional classes the 202 and the open...also just because a guy comes second at the british doesn't mean he won't stand a chance on the international scene after taking some time to improve, both james l and james flex lewis came second in previous years and have gone on to turn pro the following year.
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 22:00:40 (permalink)
    Couldn't agree more... If we don't host a show ourselves, how will our athletes ever get noticed???
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 22:22:00 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies - some good ones.

    Pro Show in the UK. IMO this would be excellent and exactly what we need.  But costly.  It's not as simple as 'just running it with the Body Power Expo' but it has been suggested.  I for one will be pushing for this hard - if anyone in the industry likes the idea of a Pro Show at Body Power 2010 and would be interested in sponsoring it as well as having a stand at Body Power, let me know.  This idea needs pushing and it will only move further with financial backing.



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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 22:25:46 (permalink)
    More than one pro card per year.  I disagree with IB - we may be geographically smaller that the US, but that is irrellevant.  It's irrelevant because there are more opportunities in the US to get one - if a BBer misses it at one show, he can do another, etc.  And the women also have numerous opportunities.  In the UK there is no direct opportunity for the women.  In the UK men have one opportunity per year. (There are other ways but they are very limited and very difficult).

    I fully support the idea of at least 2 pro cards per year. If the IFBB are supporting thr u202 class then the UKBFF must do too.



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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/16 22:27:46 (permalink)
    Daniel.M
    more coverage of local level shows, video workouts with up and coming body builders/potential pros.
    try and get photoshoots/mag deals for some of the UK guys

    All of the above are great ideas and are the reason I asked this question.

    I am working on this sort of thing with Team MT.  I will also try to get more videos on MT.


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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/17 06:25:36 (permalink)
    Daniel.M 

    video workouts with up and coming body builders/potential pros.



    We are currently working with some of the up and coming ladies and lads, the problem we find is that many of them are not too keen as they think that people only want to see the pros DVD's. If the whole attitude was changed (as with any sport) that only the pros are worth watching then it would encourage more people to be willing to make their own DVD.
     
    We are currently working with Jeannie Ellam. We are waiting for 3 others to come back from injuries so we can continue their DVD's.
     
     
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/17 12:03:40 (permalink)
    James

    It bugs me that we (the UK) seem to be behind many other nations in the bodybuilding scene. But we rarely have our guys making an impact, and the BBing scene, seems a little behind here.


     
    IMO the key is getting more people into the bodybuilding world.
     
    The more guys taking up the sport - the more chance there is of finding some good talent.
     
    In my experience people always come out with the line " I want to get big, but not TOO big" (as if it were that easy lol) and alot of people believe bodybuilding is all about being a mass monster with increadible veins 365days of the year.
     
    I personally think if there were more contests geared around 'classic bodybuilding' with competitors with a more modest physique - people would believe being a competitive bodybuilder was more within their grasp and so take up the sport or encourage experienced trainers to compete.
     
    Some of which would catch the BBing bug and go on to litterally bigger things.
     
    I believe this is why strongman training has taken off so much lately as it is much easier to get your hands on some equipment and have a go yourself and feel part of the game which is very applealing to the average gym goer.

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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/18 02:56:02 (permalink)
    as far as i can see...the main issues with the womens classes is the judging..many old time judges still mark down for "too lean and too muscular".... imo some of the judges should be retired now..cos they still go for the softer curvier shapes..

    these judges are used all the time and also go to international shows and they can see the muscularity and the dryness of some of the european women and yet still dont put forward the harder leaner women to compete abroad.

    shame really...to be marked down at brits level means they dont get chance to compete at european or world level.
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/18 07:14:17 (permalink)
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    IMO the key is getting more people into the bodybuilding world.
     
    The more guys taking up the sport - the more chance there is of finding some good talent.
     
    In my experience people always come out with the line " I want to get big, but not TOO big" (as if it were that easy lol) and alot of people believe bodybuilding is all about being a mass monster with increadible veins 365days of the year.
     
    I personally think if there were more contests geared around 'classic bodybuilding' with competitors with a more modest physique - people would believe being a competitive bodybuilder was more within their grasp and so take up the sport or encourage experienced trainers to compete.
     
    Some of which would catch the BBing bug and go on to litterally bigger things.

     
    I also think the drug tested competitions could help in this as well as the classic class. The majority of the public think ALL bodybuilders take gear and come to conclusions too quickly. We were interviewed for Radio2 in '05 backstage at the BNBF Northern and comments on their website were those that you would expect to be aimed at gear users...."you can hear how manly those women sound" or words to that effect....LOL!!!
     
    post edited by kitty - 2009/07/18 11:55:51
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/18 08:11:38 (permalink)
    I think BBing is more accepted over in the US, So more peope decide they want to be BBers. Over ihere in the UK the public probably dont understand or probably think the BBer does it for the girls or something, and will make comments like "girls dnt even like men that big" or "I'd never want to be that big/look like that" which maybe makes alot of ppl think twice about BBing.

    Cant really explain what i mean probably but...i tried

    I do a lot of push ups and sit ups. And I drink plenty of milk.

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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/18 10:38:38 (permalink)
    Hi James, what do you think the costs of running a pro show would be ballpark figures ? 
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/18 11:00:10 (permalink)
    We are lucky that the natural Pros from Britain have made big impact Internationally the BNBF pros are better known in the states than they are at home.
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    Re:What can be done to get the UK standing out more on the international scene? 2009/07/18 11:57:01 (permalink)
    That's the whole thing though Vicky, we need to get you guys better known over here
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