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2011/03/11 08:19:33 (permalink)

What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers

I have been reading loads of info on here about how good glycobol/insulin mimickers are for leaning but can not really find much about how they work and what the long term risks are.
I beleive it encourages your body to burn Carb calories instead of storing them and likewise with Fats. Is this correct? I know it effects the bodys release of insulin so what are the risks associated with this. 
What length of time should it be run for?
 Does it require PCT?
Are you meant to consume carbs with it? If so, how much?

Any advice from the wise and experienced on here would be great.
Cheers gents
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    Vibora
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/12 12:18:14 (permalink)
    I haven't used Glycobol, but am just awaiting delivery of need2slin from predator, made a thread about it here: http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/tm.aspx?m=4319906

    It's got some good reviews and logs over on the US forums, I have really shiet insulin sensitivity so am going to run it first for a cut, then see if it allows me to consume more carbs without getting as fat when I bulk.

    The professor who formulated need2slin states "Because of the way it works through cAMP manipulation... it stops you from ever loosing insulin sensitivity and becoming insulin resistant", hence you don't require a PCT with it...however its always a good idea to have some time of any supplement IMO.


    Also, it has more of an affect on the bodies sensitivity to insulin, rather than manipulating insulin secretion.
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/12 13:54:55 (permalink)
    ^ cool, keep us posted.

    JW 390898 is running a log on need2slin. he's losing fat and keeping strength. check it out
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/12 14:05:05 (permalink)
    m118

    ^ cool, keep us posted.

    JW 390898 is running a log on need2slin. he's losing fat and keeping strength. check it out


      m118 - you make me feel like a right porker :-)

    Been running it about 20 days now on a moderate carb diet and this last few days have really started to see some results having previously just been feeling it with fit of clothes.

    Will be looking to get a fresh like for like snap up next couple of days so hopefully others will see what I think I can for 3 weeks cutting.

    Training last week I actually added a couple of reps on tuesday but thursday had to settle for maintaining previous lifts - but I will settle for not losing any strength right now.

    There was a good thread a little while back where me and JayJo (NTBM rep) went into the science:-
    http://www.muscletalk.co....=need2slin&mpage=1

    I also know of two other forum member running and logging it at present who are not sponsored like I am: Brutali and ArchieS2
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/12 14:33:14 (permalink)
    Glycobol is not a bad product, but it may not be so good for you intestines.
    We have a thread about Glycobol on our home forum and this is what our prof. said about the possible toxicity of Glycobol:
    Professor Levi FilimanovBerberine is the culprit here, it can de sensitize over time the insulin producing cells in your pancrease and cause a problem with your bile excretions also.. bilirubin can build up causing toxicity. Hence the reason i didnt include it in Need2slin.


    /edit
    I also made a write up on Need2Slin which might be interesting for you guys and everyone out there!
    http://needtobuildmuscle....e-needtoslin-9900.html
    post edited by JayJo - 2011/03/12 14:36:31

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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/12 19:39:33 (permalink)
    Cheers for the post, useful read. 

    So do you know of any dangerous sides with this supplement? 

    Just to clarify, you take it prior to eating complex carbs in the aim that it sends the CHO to the muscles for energy rather than storing them?

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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 11:33:26 (permalink)
    Need2Slin is 100% safe. And you are right. Usually excess carbohydrates ends up as excess fat. Any meal or snack high in carbohydrates will generate a rapid rise in blood glucose. To adjust for this rapid rise, the pancreas secretes the hormone insulin into the bloodstream. Insulin then lowers the levels of blood glucose. But the problem is that insulin is essentially a storage hormone, evolved to put aside excess carbohydrate calories in the form of fat in case of future famine. So the insulin that's stimulated by excess carbohydrates aggressively promotes the accumulation of body fat. Now let's enter a GDA like Need2Slin. Need2Slin improves Nutrition pertinence by increasing insulin sensitivity and carbohydrates/nutrition up take, so it basically shut guns carbohydrates and other nutrients to your muscles leaving them no chance of being stored as fat. This means carbs, sugars and fats get used or stored in the muscle as energy rather then stored as fat. The result of this is more lean muscle mass and less body fat!!!
    post edited by JayJo - 2011/03/13 11:34:57

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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:02:55 (permalink)
    is need2slin an otc supp??

    i believe with a healthy active lifestyle and some good knowledge and aas/peps use etc that you can live a longer stronger better life.

    main interests: physique conditioning, bbj, muay thai.
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:08:50 (permalink)
    stone14

    is need2slin an otc supp??


    Yes

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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:08:57 (permalink)
    Yes m8 Here 
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:12:32 (permalink)
    ok cheers m8 so is it just a slin mimiker like na-r-ala?

    is it better at it or??

    i believe with a healthy active lifestyle and some good knowledge and aas/peps use etc that you can live a longer stronger better life.

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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:15:49 (permalink)
    stone14

    is need2slin an otc supp??



    Yep, I've just picked up a bottle from Predator. 
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:18:13 (permalink)
    stone14

    ok cheers m8 so is it just a slin mimiker like na-r-ala?

    is it better at it or??


    Need2slin works in a totaly different way to any other nutrient repartioner.
    Need2slin uses cAMP expression within the cells to shuttle nutrients via insulin only into the muscle, while causing glucagon to be released all day long, causing a very catabolic effect to fat cells, So no fat storage, and only muscle glycogen retention. There is no other repartioner that does this.
    cAMP has been used to treat type 2 diabetes, there are at least 2 users who swear need2slin has cured their type 2 diabetes, i dont back these claims, But its benefits whether loosing weight or building muscle are undeniable.

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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:36:01 (permalink)
    JayJo

    stone14

    ok cheers m8 so is it just a slin mimiker like na-r-ala?

    is it better at it or??


    Need2slin works in a totaly different way to any other nutrient repartioner.
    Need2slin uses cAMP expression within the cells to shuttle nutrients via insulin only into the muscle, while causing glucagon to be released all day long, causing a very catabolic effect to fat cells, So no fat storage, and only muscle glycogen retention. There is no other repartioner that does this.
    cAMP has been used to treat type 2 diabetes, there are at least 2 users who swear need2slin has cured their type 2 diabetes, i dont back these claims, But its benefits whether loosing weight or building muscle are undeniable.

     
    is this part of the advertisement?

    i believe with a healthy active lifestyle and some good knowledge and aas/peps use etc that you can live a longer stronger better life.

    main interests: physique conditioning, bbj, muay thai.
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:45:01 (permalink)
    stone14

    JayJo

    stone14

    ok cheers m8 so is it just a slin mimiker like na-r-ala?

    is it better at it or??


    Need2slin works in a totaly different way to any other nutrient repartioner.
    Need2slin uses cAMP expression within the cells to shuttle nutrients via insulin only into the muscle, while causing glucagon to be released all day long, causing a very catabolic effect to fat cells, So no fat storage, and only muscle glycogen retention. There is no other repartioner that does this.
    cAMP has been used to treat type 2 diabetes, there are at least 2 users who swear need2slin has cured their type 2 diabetes, i dont back these claims, But its benefits whether loosing weight or building muscle are undeniable.

     
    is this part of the advertisement?


    Only that it works through cAMP expression.

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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:46:15 (permalink)
    what is camp expression?

    i believe with a healthy active lifestyle and some good knowledge and aas/peps use etc that you can live a longer stronger better life.

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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 14:55:09 (permalink)
    stone14

    what is camp expression?


    cAMP = cyclic Adenosine Monophosphate

    Here is a good article on cAMP and Diabetis
    http://www.utm.utoronto.c...nal%20Transduction.pdf



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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 15:29:23 (permalink)
    NEED2SLIN - BLOOD SUGAR EXPERIMENT

    INGREDIANTS:
    1) 450mg gymnema sylvestre
    2) 250mg Acetyl L-carnatine
    3) 200mg NaR-ALA (NaR alpha lipoic acid)
    4) 200mg L-norvaline
    5) 90mg Coleus forskholi
    6) 30mg synephrine HCI
    7) 18mg Banaba leaf

    Purpose:
    What I expect from N2S is to create a larger than normal insulin release after intake of carbs and sugars. This insulin release is highly desired in bodybuilding b/c insulin helps shuttle nutrients and carbohydrates directly to the muscles for immediate repair. The reason it is advantageous to intake glucose (sugar) in what ever form you want after working out is because of the insulin response that follows. The reason insulin is released after drinking a sugary beverage is that this released works to lower your blood sugar levels and keep you within the normal range. Our body is constantly trying to maintain homeostasis, or internal equilibrium, hence the insulin spike.

    insulin also "rapidly activates Protein synthesis by mRNA translation, the process through which the genetic code transcribed in the mRNA template is translated into Protein." This is fairly complicated so if you want to read more on this then Google it.

    Experiment:
    (Day 1) I will fast for a least 8 hours while I sleep and in the morning I will take my fasted blood sugar (one of 4 readings). I will then eat a wheat bagel (about 60 carbs) and drink about 9oz of Grape Juice (50 carbs/sugars) since both of these are fast acting carbohydrates. After I down I will take my blood sugar readings at 30 mins, 1 hr, and 1.5 hrs and record the results.

    (Day 2) I will do the exact same thing as above but this time I will take N2Slin at a dosage of 3 capsules 35 minutes before eating the bagel then follow the protocol listed on Day 1.

    (Day 3) I will do the exact same thing as above but this time I will take some supplements that should have a positive effect on my blood sugar profile about 35 minutes prior to eating the bagel and record the results as above. The supplements I will take are Chromium Picolinate (100mg), Gymnema (400mg), Alpha Lipoic Acid (200mg), & Cinnamon (1/4 teaspoon); all of which are supposed to either promote increased insulin cell binding, increase natural production of insulin at the periphery level, or increase the secretion of insulin at the pancreas.

    (Day 4) This was added after the Conclusion in the Addendum section.

    Results:
    In my research of supplements that have the BEST potential to lower blood sugar/raise insulin I came across a few supplements that I assumed would be most effective for these purposes. The supplements used on Day 3 of this experiment are the ones that looked the most promising (Chromium Picolinate, Gymnema, Alpha Lipoic Acid [ALA], & Cinnamon). Two out of the 4 supplements I chose to use are in Need2Slin. The other ingredients in N2Slin are mentioned in some cases when and insulin response is desired but that is one of the reasons for this test, to determine if N2Slin is effective. From what I can tell Need2 has done a lot of research to put this product together and I am very interested in the results.

    For this test I was able to borrow a blood monitor from my father who is diabetic (another reason for my interest in this product) and use it to test my blood glucose levels. These tests were conducted at the same time of the morning every day and I tried to be as symmetrical with everything I did every day for the most accurate results possible.

    Day 1:
    Fasting - 83 mg/dl
    *now I down the bagel and grape juice
    0.5 hr - 180 mg/dl
    1.0 hr - 161 mg/dl
    1.5 hr - 106 mg/dl

    Note**About 30 minutes after ingesting the bagel and grape juice I got his overwhelming lethargic feeling as well as slightly blurred vision, and this lasted until my blood sugar dropped below 160. Injesting these two things may not do this to some people but I generally stay away from a lot of sugar so I was not used to this feeling at all but did recall on a couple occasions feeling this way.

    Day 2:
    Fasting - 87 mg/dl
    *take Need2Slin 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
    *down the bagel and grape juice
    0.5 hr - 145 mg/dl
    1.0 hr - 129 mg/dl
    1.5 hr - 84 mg/dl

    Note**I am very impressed with the results of N2Slin so far. I didn't get any of the symptoms from yesterday when ingesting the large quantity of carbs. I may duplicate the tests of Day 2 and see if I come up with the same results in a later post. Need2Slin has definitely increased the amount of insulin in response to the sugar level in my body. It will be interesting to see how the herbs and supps I will use tomorrow stack up.

    Day 3:
    Fasting - 86 mg/dl
    *take chosen Supps 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
    *down the bagel and grape juice
    0.5 hr - 164 mg/dl
    1.0 hr - 148 mg/dl
    1.5 hr - 97 mg/dl

    Note**Although I didn't have any of the same lethargy as on Day 1, I didn't feel as energetic as I did yesterday (Day 2) after taking the hand picked herbs and supplements.

    Day 4:
    See results of Day 4 after the Conclusion in the Addendum...

    Conclusion:
    Based on the results of Day 3, Need2Slin has proven itself to be even more effective than the hand picked supplements (chosen specifically for the purpose of increasing insulin response) that I thought might be more effective than Need2Slin based on the research I have done. Need2Slin is a very impressive supplement not only for the energetic feeling you get after a large meal with N2Slin, but in the fact that the blood results in this study were not even close!!

    I would like to further note that this study was done solely out of my curiosity of the performance of this product as well as looking for a product that my father (Type 2 diabetic) can take to lower his blood sugar. I have no motive to advertise for Need2. I have used this product once before about a year ago where I noticed a better pump in the gym and a leaner look even on a high calorie diet. I wanted to put it to the test and see if it was worth spending the bucks for this product. Unlike other products where you simply have to 'believe' it's doing what it says, this type of supplement you can actually 'TEST' to see if it's doing what it's supposed to do!!

    The 3 most anabolic compounds in the world of bodybuilding are AAS, GH, and insulin. If you can take a natural supplement like Need2Slin and increase the production of insulin within your own body then why take the risk of damaging your body by injecting insulin? Bodybuilders who understand how to use insulin properly can get away with this but for anyone that doesn't fully understand how to use it safely and is on the fence with whether they should use it or not, please start with a supplement like this that will not damage your body and will give you the effect you are looking for.

    -----------------------------------------------------

    Addendum:
    Today I wanted to make sure that the results I got the first day I used N2Slin were not a fluke. I only did one test on it and it made me wonder if those results would be replicated if I tested again.

    Day 4: (final test)
    Fasting - 78 mg/dl
    *take Need2Slin 35 minutes before ingesting the carbs
    *down the bagel and grape juice
    0.5 hr - 139 mg/dl
    1.0 hr - 125 mg/dl
    1.5 hr - 83 mg/dl

    Note**My blood sugar started out lower this morning than usual maybe due to a clean diet yesterday and taking a couple N2Slin before dinner last night... Based on the results from today I am confident that N2Slin is controlling my blood sugar by raising my insulin levels! It's almost scary how close the numbers were from the first test. If I had started the test with a fasting blood sugar of 87 today, I do feel that the numbers I got on the first day using N2S would be even closer.

    See the attachment for a comparison graph of the 4 different studies...
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    Re:What is the score with Glycobol/Insulin Mimickers 2011/03/13 15:35:54 (permalink)
    This is me discussing need2slin and how it works on superhumanradio.

    Im professor filimanov.. English is a lot better now.
    http://www.superhumanradio.com/super-human-radio-show/575-lessons-of-old-time-strongmen-plus-supplement-review.html


    I designed need2slin with a novel method of repartitioning nutrients in mind.. so fat cells dont get jacked wich is the problem caused by every other insulin mimicker.

    Here in the next post is why

    Written by Russianstar, Information is copyrite.


    If your reading this, then your probably fighting a loosing battle against weight, but do you know why its so hard to loose weight and keep it off, well heres why, and how you can loose that bulging fat.

    So we all know the benefits of Insulin in bodybuilding dont we, its possibly the most anabolic peptide hormone there is in increasing muscle size, but actualy there in lies a problem.

    INSULIN THE TRANSPORTER

    Now think of insulin as a transporter, a huge empty lorry, now when you eat food that lorry fills up, and then starts its journey, but the journey it undertakes isnt selective, its just the delivery boy so to speak, You eat a nice big meal high in carbs and fat, and the fast release sugars cause a big insulin spike, " Thats a very fast rise and fall in insulin" Now this isnt what we want, because insulin will force feed your muscles and FAT cells with nutrients, The muscles being force fed is great but the FAT cells, well this isnt, because you will get increased fat retention and gain.

    Now lets get this straight, when youve finished a workout and your glycogen levels are depleted, causing an insulin spike will be perfect, as you will replenish glycogen stores in the liver, stop protein breakdown after a workout, and increases amino acid uptake into the skeletal muscle.
    So first thing in the AM after not eating all night, and after a workout are two of the best times to create this insulin spike, The higher the glycemic index the faster the sugar is released and the bigger the spike.

    But if you cause an insulin spike when glycogen levels are not depleted you get the same response but because your liver has plenty of stored glycogen your amazingly anabolic transporter forces the food just where you dont want it, straight into those fat cells, What happens then, well do it on a regular basis, and you will look like a huge proprtion of society, obese.

    Now this is where need2slin without making any changes to your diet can really help, heres how..


    cAMP THE SIGNAL FOR FAT DESTRUCTION

    Cyclic adenosine monophosphate, cyclic AMP , 3'-5'-cyclic adenosine monophosphate, or just simpl cAMP is the messenger basicly signals fat loss, it gives a green light to insulin forcing nutrients into the muscle and a red light for fat storage, but how?

    Well insulin is anabolic, and Glucagon catabolic, but only to stored energy sources, fat being the most readily available.
    So Glucagon secretion is very important, it actualy means that when Insulin is released the amount of Glucagon is significantly higher, wich means more nutrients can be transported to where we want it to go, the muscle, cAMP causes an increase in the amount of insulin released, it also plays a very important role in fat loss itself, But through glucogen releasing fatty acids from stored triglycerides, and cAMP activating the release of energy from fat, it means that the increased levels of insulin produced can shuttle everything your muscles need to where your muscles need them, the muscle cells.
    Make sense?
    So cAMP says lets use fat for fuel, glucogen releases fat, and while cAMP levels are high your body wont store fat. So your now using FAT for fuel, then you take something lets say a sugary drink, and what happens an insulin spike, only this time you dont store the sugar as fat even if your liver is full of glycogen, it will just get pushed into the muscles and any goodness you consume will directly be utilised by the muscle cells, So the transporter insulin is being directed by our very own messenger cAMP.

    Remember Muscle and fat make up most of your body mass, the higher the amount of muscle verses the amount of fat = the higher your basal metabolism, so more calories will be consumed to fuel your body.
    Insulin has such a huge role in the amount of either the amount of muscle or fat that you have, so controling its effects is of utmost importance, Basicly... CONTROL INSULIN, AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MANIPULATE IT TO REACH YOUR DESIRED PHYSIQUE.

    A steady and healthy release of Insulin will actualy decrease appetite as it Reduces hunger through hypothalamic regulation, this is a natural and healthy response to insulin.

    THE ROLE OF NEED2SLIN

    Need2slin allows for glucagon to be released at a steady rate, increasing the healthy amount of insulin producing cells, and stimulating a healthy insulin response = less fat gain, even without changing your diet or increasing appetite.

    Need2slin also stimulates cAMP activation so increasing your metabolism, and allowing for fat to be used as fuel, something that using insulin on its own cannot do, and spiking it cannot do.
    cAMP also increases the amount of insulin released so a greater amount of nutrients can be utilised by the muscles = bigger muscles, less fat, better health.

    Need2slin also increases the amount of thyroxin your body produces, so energy levels are higher, and your metabolism is working optimaly.

    Need2slin also stimulates beta-3 receptors but it doesnt stimulate beta 2 or alpha 1 receptors, so metabolism is raised through this increase too, but without any strain on the heart as caused by products like clenbuterol wich can cause lesions of the heart even at low doses through overley stimulating beta 2 receptors.


    So send your body the right signals, just using Need2slin on its own without even changing your diet will do all the above, the fat loss you make will be easy to maintain, the health benefits of lower cholesterol, improved circulation, and lower body fat and increased metabolism will improve your quality of life, and best of all Need2slin can be taken all year round.

    So do yourself a favour loose fat fast, and improve your look and health.. how? Dont let insulin make you fat, Use it to make you slimmer, You need Need2slin.

    Best of luck with your fat loss goals, RS
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    If anyone needs any info please feel free to pm me. Kind regards RS.
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